Suns and Heat in Talks of Marion/Shaq Trade

[baseline bum]

Sorry but thats what I thought, but O'Neal has guarded Duncan well.

Only one time has he gotten agressive with him and that was in 03 game 6 and took it at him.

Other than that, he's been passive.

WTF are you talking about, TPark? Duncan was a monster in the 02 series. He dropped 35 and 25 in game 5. His teammates sucked.

Duncan was great in the '04 series until the Lakers just decided they weren't going to guard Turkoglu and Bowen in games 3-6, and threw 4 guys in the lane.

What about in 99 in game 3 when Shaq came out and told the media he was going to guard Tim Duncan and shut him down? Duncan dropped like 17 in the first quarter on Shaq, and forced LA to throw Reid/Horry/Fox back at him.

[T Park]

Right, you mean the fact that he was sitting on the Bench while Alzono finished off Dallas?

Uh no.

Shaq was in there beating the Mavericks.

[ludda]

From what I remember Shaq was pretty well -contained by the Mavs bigs in the finals 06. And that was two years ago with a "motivated" Shaq

I dont think this trade hurts the Suns but I also don't see a geriartric Shaq as the great saviour that some seem to all of a sudden think.

I guess we'll see how it plays out.

[T Park]

Duncan was great in the '04 series until the Lakers just decided they weren't going to guard Turkoglu and Bowen in games 3-6, and threw 4 guys in the lane.

Wasn't Malone guarding him?

[ludda]

Laugh all you want.

Look at how a semi motivated shaq did in 04 against Ginobili and Parker.

wow you completely flip-flopped from your earlier posts.

[baseline bum]

Laugh all you want.

Look at how a semi motivated shaq did in 04 against Ginobili and Parker.

If Hedo Turkoglu or Bruce Bowen hits a wide-open jump shot that series is over in 5.

If our shooters choke again, then the Spurs won't win.

[T Park]

WTF are you talking about, TPark? Duncan was a monster in the 02 series. He dropped 35 and 25 in game 5. His teammates sucked.

Duncan was great in the '04 series until the Lakers just decided they weren't going to guard Turkoglu and Bowen in games 3-6, and threw 4 guys in the lane.

What about in 99 in game 3 when Shaq came out and told the media he was going to guard Tim Duncan and shut him down? Duncan dropped like 17 in the first quarter on Shaq, and forced LA to throw Reid/Horry/Fox back at him.

Bum, I seriously hope and think Duncan can take Shaq.

IMO he can back him down a tad upfake and get around him and should put him in foul trouble.

He does that, the Sun's chances of beating the Spurs are even worse than they were before.

Unfortunately, I can see Shaq getting the benefit of the calls against the Spurs and being allowed to beat up on Duncan.

[T Park]

wow you completely flip-flopped from your earlier posts.

Discussion with people much smarter than myself and John Hollinger pretty much did that.

[T Park]

OK Adam Shaq will be a total nonfactor. You win.

[ludda]

It isn't one or the other. Shaq will be a factor, the key question is how much of a factor - Marion, who despite being a whiny was at many times their 2/3 best player.

[sabar]

Phoenix was a guaranteed win when Amare got into early foul trouble trying to go against Duncan. If anything, they at least have a 400 pound, 20 million dollar foul sponge. Spurs should still be able to take them, especially since with Marion gone our outside shots should fall a little more. A good compliment with the Damon pickup.

[T Park]

So shaq and Marion cancel each other out in the offensive end on points..

Against the Spurs, Shaq would score more points in the playoffs than Marion.

[sabar]

factor by doing what? Please explain this to me? He doesn't play defense at all, and so he might get a couple of easy buckets who cares..how does that scare anyone on the Spurs? So shaq and Marion cancel each other out in the offensive end on points..

I want someone to explain when was the last time Shaq was a great defender?

Spurs are built to destroy small ball. Shaq on the floor means Phx plays in the half-court. Half-court ball actually wins important games. Small ball just lets 8th seeds win over choking 1st seeds and subsequently get annihilated one round later against a half-court team.

Shaq isn't a great defender, but he isn't a crappy one either.

[T Park]

He is so great that Miami decided to trade him..yeah, Miami has the worst record in the NBA in the east, and we all know Wade isn't the problem!

Miami is failing because Shaq and Wade have no help....

[T Park]

he is a huge liability on the defensive end. He also gets in foul trouble. Tony and Manu can blow by him with ease. He doesn't intimidate anyone.

Wow.

[whottt]

WTF are you talking about, TPark? Duncan was a monster in the 02 series. He dropped 35 and 25 in game 5. His teammates sucked.

Eh...they doulbe teamed the crap out of him and he shot like in that series IIRC. Had a game with 10 TO's as well. I agree his teamates sucked...but he wasn't guarding Shaq and Shaq wasn't guarding him. That was the height of the PJ double teams in the fourth.

Duncan was great in the '04 series until the Lakers just decided they weren't going to guard Turkoglu and Bowen in games 3-6, and threw 4 guys in the lane.

And Shaq kicked our asses in that series...the only time it could truly be said he did that...because we didn't have Drob.

What about in 99 in game 3 when Shaq came out and told the media he was going to guard Tim Duncan and shut him down?

I don't remember Shaq saying that, and I wasn't on internet Spurs message boards then...although it does sound like something he would say.

Duncan dropped like 17 in the first quarter on Shaq, and forced LA to throw Reid/Horry/Fox back at him.

Hmmm...I don't remember Duncan scoring 17 in any first quarter of that series...I remember him having a few 10 point quarters though...mainly against Reid.


Then again...that was 10 years ago.


I'm not saying it didn't happen, because it damn sure could have...I just don't know if I would call a hot quarter a definitive performance.


The only time I've seen Duncan and Shaq matched up extensively for an entire game was game 6 in 03...and neither one of them did a good job of stopping the other.

[SenorSpur]

Some interesting facts about the deal..........

1.) It's not a straight up Shaq for Marion trade. It's Marion+Banks for Shaq+Miami's 1st this year
2.) PHX actually saves money by offloading Marion's 17 million and Bank's 4.1 million dollar contracts.

If Miami keeps tanking at the rate they that pick could be VERY valuable and PHX could wind up with a good piece to add to their team.

If that's the truth, the Heat are the dumbest franchise in the league. No way they give up a number one pick, when they're assured of being lottery-bound.

[kobe_bryant]

dallas is still small ball, your biggest challenge.

your small ball lineup will be needed.

I will take care of shaq and co.

[kobe_bryant]

did someone sign into tpark's account?

tpork in pages 1-12 istotally different from 13-22

wtf

[mardigan]

Spurs fans are great, KG wont help the Celts, Pau wont make any difference on the Lakers, and Shaq wont make the Suns better.
But getting Stromile Swift or Tyrus Thomas will put the Spurs over the top

[JPB]

Spurs are built to destroy small ball. Shaq on the floor means Phx plays in the half-court. Half-court ball actually wins important games. Small ball just lets 8th seeds win over choking 1st seeds and subsequently get annihilated one round later against a half-court team.

Shaq isn't a great defender, but he isn't a crappy one either.

So Shaq on the court suddenly makes PHO an half court team ?

[mardigan]

So Shaq on the court suddenly makes PHO an half court team ?

They are going to give it a shot, and they have players that could excell in the half court

[sabar]

So Shaq on the court suddenly makes PHO an half court team ?

If PHX tries to run-n-gun with Shaq then they are by far the dumbest organization in the league. Shaq couldn't take heavy minutes on a slow moving Miami team.

But hey, they ARE Phoenix, so it's possible they run with him and Shaq has season ending knee surgury.

[Tek_XX]

Spurs fans are great, KG wont help the Celts, Pau wont make any difference on the Lakers, and Shaq wont make the Suns better.
But getting Stromile Swift or Tyrus Thomas will put the Spurs over the top

Are you a Spurs fan??

[whottt]

So Shaq on the court suddenly makes PHO an half court team ?

Having the guy that is in the argument for being the greatest half court player in NBA history, can do that for you...even when he's old. Doesn't hurt to have him paired with a two time MVP PG....