Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[LakerHater]

Free agent forward Omri Casspi has agreed to a one-year deal with Golden State, league sources tell ESPN.

[raybies]

Casspi to the Warriors

[raybies]

Really want to see what he can do on a contender

[tonight...you]

Not a good take for a couple of reasons.

1. In neither post volume 1 or post volume 2 is there any defense of Patty's contract. Which I don't blame you for because it's a terrible deal. You say that Mills isn't a bad contract - but - you've also conceded that they Patty doesn't move the needle against GSW. Tying up 12+MM for four years to an undersized sg who can't run the offense or play defense is, to me, a pretty bad deal, particularly when said player isn't a game changer against the only team that matters.

2. What's hindsight? RC and company clearly know that a) Parker's deal comes off the books in 18, b) Pau's old deal came off the books in 18, c) a disgruntled LMA had a player option set for 18. Preserving cap room for a push in 18 (or to absorb contracts in an LMA deal) is the answer to your "what should they have done" question -- not re-upping players (i.e., Patty, Pau) with whom we need to move on.

3. I don't think the FO ever thought 2017 was that interesting. I honestly think that the moves they're making are to open up room to re-sign their guys and roll the team back again. This has historically been what the spurs do. And it's a move I disagree with because the team has a lot of dead weight that needs to be cut.

4. This is also why I haven't dodged your question. I don't know how to be any clearer than to say: a) they should not have re-signed Patty at all, much less 4/50 and b) told Pau to opt in with the understanding that 2018 is his last year or opt out and seek opportunity elsewhere.

5. Whether you think Tony is going elsewhere or not is besides the point. He's still another pg on the roster and is another reason why Patty was/is expendable. Same goes for Manu, who you didn't account for, and will probably be back (my gut feeling).

6. We seem to agree on what to do about Pau. Which is great. But again, you're dodging my one and only question to you which is: is what the team is doing with Pau and Patty sound team building? I don't know how to be any clearer in saying that it's not.

7. This team is not second-best in the league. Even in the extremely optimistic and unrealistic scenario you've painted.

8. Finally, while I agree that the spurs believe they tried to improve their team, their approach in doing so is wrong. And exhibit A is the deal they gave Patty. You have a baseless assertion that I can't complain about Mills' deal if I wanted the team to improve -- which makes absolutely no sense. The team needed to move on from him (and Pau) and the last thing they should have done -- if they were trying to improve -- is re-up both. While you seem to disagree with this, I have yet to hear anything from you about why re-upping both players on longer deals helps this team in any way, shape, or form.

Long story short- GSW is THE juggernaut right now. What exactly IS going to move the needle in the next 2 years?
They're just going to get better in '18 and '19 with simple continuity. Then, after, maybe someone else can step up.

Right now the Spurs should just remain as compe ive as they can, keep playing the long game and try to make a come-up, if things go sideways on GSW, or until 2020. And just hope.

I mean... They weren't going to get anyone that was going to change the landscape and it's not really their fault. They had little money and would have had to gut the team to free it up, and nobody wants to come here now because the biggest chance to win it all is Either bolster a Eastern Conference team and hope that GSW has a big problem, or go to a better destination with talent.

[LakerHater]

Golden state still has money?

[raybies]

Golden state still has money?

Veterans ring chasing for the minimum per par

[tonight...you]

Not a good take for a couple of reasons.

1. In neither post volume 1 or post volume 2 is there any defense of Patty's contract. Which I don't blame you for because it's a terrible deal. You say that Mills isn't a bad contract - but - you've also conceded that they Patty doesn't move the needle against GSW. Tying up 12+MM for four years to an undersized sg who can't run the offense or play defense is, to me, a pretty bad deal, particularly when said player isn't a game changer against the only team that matters.

2. What's hindsight? RC and company clearly know that a) Parker's deal comes off the books in 18, b) Pau's old deal came off the books in 18, c) a disgruntled LMA had a player option set for 18. Preserving cap room for a push in 18 (or to absorb contracts in an LMA deal) is the answer to your "what should they have done" question -- not re-upping players (i.e., Patty, Pau) with whom we need to move on.

3. I don't think the FO ever thought 2017 was that interesting. I honestly think that the moves they're making are to open up room to re-sign their guys and roll the team back again. This has historically been what the spurs do. And it's a move I disagree with because the team has a lot of dead weight that needs to be cut.

4. This is also why I haven't dodged your question. I don't know how to be any clearer than to say: a) they should not have re-signed Patty at all, much less 4/50 and b) told Pau to opt in with the understanding that 2018 is his last year or opt out and seek opportunity elsewhere.

5. Whether you think Tony is going elsewhere or not is besides the point. He's still another pg on the roster and is another reason why Patty was/is expendable. Same goes for Manu, who you didn't account for, and will probably be back (my gut feeling).

6. We seem to agree on what to do about Pau. Which is great. But again, you're dodging my one and only question to you which is: is what the team is doing with Pau and Patty sound team building? I don't know how to be any clearer in saying that it's not.

7. This team is not second-best in the league. Even in the extremely optimistic and unrealistic scenario you've painted.

8. Finally, while I agree that the spurs believe they tried to improve their team, their approach in doing so is wrong. And exhibit A is the deal they gave Patty. You have a baseless assertion that I can't complain about Mills' deal if I wanted the team to improve -- which makes absolutely no sense. The team needed to move on from him (and Pau) and the last thing they should have done -- if they were trying to improve -- is re-up both. While you seem to disagree with this, I have yet to hear anything from you about why re-upping both players on longer deals helps this team in any way, shape, or form.

Watch them be the 2nd best team... again.

[cjw]

Long story short- GSW is THE juggernaut right now. What exactly IS going to move the needle in the next 2 years?
They're just going to get better in '18 and '19 with simple continuity. Then, after, maybe someone else can step up.

Right now the Spurs should just remain as compe ive as they can, keep playing the long game and try to make a come-up, if things go sideways on GSW, or until 2020. And just hope.

I mean... They weren't going to get anyone that was going to change the landscape and it's not really their fault. They had little money and would have had to gut the team to free it up, and nobody wants to come here now because the biggest chance to win it all is Either bolster a Eastern Conference team and hope that GSW has a big problem, or go to a better destination with talent.

The more GS dominates and hurts leaguewide revenue, the more cap space will dry up and their luxury tax will balloon. Spurs are going to be one of the few unburdened teams in 2018. Heck, even Philly runs the risk of having Embiid's 50 games a year being paid $500k apiece then.

[NickiRasgo]

Really want to see what he can do on a contender

[tonight...you]

The more GS dominates and hurts leaguewide revenue, the more cap space will dry up and their luxury tax will balloon. Spurs are going to be one of the few unburdened teams in 2018. Heck, even Philly runs the risk of having Embiid's 50 games a year being paid $500k apiece then.

You know PATFO have discussed this. Especially after the cap went down and revenue dropped because of the lack of playoff games.
I certainly would have and I'm just a schmo.

[cjw]

You know PATFO have discussed this. Especially after the cap went down and revenue dropped because of the lack of playoff games.
I certainly would have and I'm just a schmo.

We also know how much ESPN is hurting by overpaying for live sports rights, and how the diluted league means better teams are pulled away from RSN (regional sports networks). Cord cutting hurts league revenue too, which is what the cap is built on. Seems Spurs are banking on an implosion.

[Atl Spur]

We will see movement by our team here in the next few days.....

[tonight...you]

We will see movement by our team here in the next few days.....

Yeah. They have to at least add bodies. Let's see what bodies they add.

[tholdren]

We also know how much ESPN is hurting by overpaying for live sports rights, and how the diluted league means better teams are pulled away from RSN (regional sports networks). Cord cutting hurts league revenue too, which is what the cap is built on. Seems Spurs are banking on an implosion.

Stop watching

[spursistan]

Can RC at least sign a bag of chips to show me he is still got a pulse?

[LakerHater]

Free agent Gordon Hayward has agreed to a four-year, $128M deal with the Boston Celtics, league source tells The Vertical.

[raybies]

Hayward to the celtics

[Nathan89]

[raybies]

now let free agency commence

[TimDunkem]

Lmao He pulled a Durant. Had his team move pieces, re-sign guys, and got the fans' hopes up only to go end up with a (EC) contender.

[raybies]

celtics winning the east next year. Calling it now

[raybies]

Lmao He pulled a Durant. Had his team move pieces, re-sign guys, and got the fans' hopes up only to go end up with a (EC) contender.

Bron did the same with Miami too. Napier...

[Nathan89]

Thought there would be more freaking out over Casspi tbh. Solid signing for them because they are so star loaded but means much less to us. Would've been a nice cheap piece going forward if we were ever able to get a star player though. Suppose we should wait for that to happen though.

[Nathan89]

celtics winning the east next year. Calling it now

I wonder where Lebron would want to go if that happened.

[tonight...you]

I wonder where Lebron would want to go if that happened.

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