MacOS X really isn't that different than any other unix at the core. And there's more Unix servers out there than there are Windows servers.
The biggest problem with Win hacking is largely in the desktop segment, not server side.
It's BSD with a Mach kernel under it. Pretty standard stuff. It does gain from a lot of years in unix security in general. It also incorporates a lot of the security stuff that's pretty standard these days: ASLR, NX, etc. Windows 7 basically has the same stuff.
I completely agree with the contention they're not a major target. Simply more lucrative to hack the 95% market.
Don't necessarily agree with that as a general rule. I do think they make some terribly overpriced stuff, like the MacPros. I also think they do make top notch quality products like the MBP, and they're priced compe ively. They're definitely one of the few companies that are still doing innovation in areas like thermal, battery, etc.
At any rate, talking with hater is just an old hobby of ours.
I actually still do programming for all platforms these days: Apple, Windows, Unix... they all have their pro and cons, tbh
What's "wow" about it?
no clue about security
What's "wow" about it?
I'm looking to get one tbh. Would you say the iPad 3 has enough going for it or should I go for the cheaper iPad 2?
thinking a zombiebox is bigger problem than 10,000 customer credit info being hacked from server
Wife upgraded a 1st gen to it, and very pleased with the upgrade.
backtracking from "bigger problem" to "more profitable"
Going with analogies that have nothing to do with security because simpleton doesn't understand security.
Tell me more how pickpocketing equals spam
Or murder equals stolen CCs!
I could not disagree with you more. Apple is notorious for combining short warranties with inferior products because its cheaper to deal with recalls for a year than put out a good product or do decent QC.
This is the case for their batteries, monitors, hard drives, memory etc. They make those design decisions as a matter of course.
They also are hardly 'one of the few' companies that R&D's batteries, heat sinks, dispersion, etc.
Compared to who?
HP: 1 year warranty
Dell: 1 year warranty
Sony: 1 year warranty
Apple: 1 year warranty
They all let you buy "extended" coverage, including Apple.
They all source from the same guys. Foxconn, Samsung, etc.
They don't design components, but they do design their systems. The reason their laptops are always atop battery life, lowest heat, etc have everything to do with top notch system design.
You're talking components, I'm talking systems. Apple stopped building systems largely with custom components a long time ago. They do still provide their own power-management firmware for hard drives and the like. Every company is jumping on things like unibody laptops and desktops, and that's entirely Apple's innovation.
On the other hand, their MacPros are an overpriced regular PC.
They don't all buy the same products from the manufacturers and again Apple does not QC for on cheap products. Thats a systems design decision. Combine that with the same ty warranties and you have a Dell that costs $2500.
Quite frankly, buying any prefab is a bad idea especially the one that costs twice as much.
Apple does source their components from the vendors everyone else uses. Hynix, LG, Sony, Intel, Samsung, Broadcom, Hitachi, WD, ATI/NVidia etc.
I'll take the QC comment as anecdotal. Every company has to deal with defects, and a lot of them don't own up to them until pressed to do so.
They also all offer the same warranties and extended warranties programs.
Apple is actually on the good side of malfunction rate
Well, not all of them cost twice as much, and frankly, there are legitimate reasons to buy prefabs, any brand.
Probably doesn't make much sense for the computer savvy though.
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Thats notebooks and the 'anecdote' begins with my experience with Apple iPods and extends to specific commentary from my design professor about how Apple approaches QC, warranties and whatnot specifically he brought up hard drives and monitors. Cost is pretty central to design.
Perhaps they have responded to all the criticism they were getting as they were getting hammered for it 5 years ago but a quick google search of 'apple quality control' brings up a whole lot of ing about iPhone, iPod, and iPad QC. After my third iPod's HD took a , I just gave up on the company.
Now wait a second, Fuzzy. If you're talking their gadget/phone/pad market, I'll be more inclined to agree with you. After all, they do much more custom component design on those (all the way to the CPU), and thus it's only fair they shoulder more of the blame. It's also a much different market than the regular computer market for them, seeing they've a fairly sizable share of it. It's also a market that markedly different as prefab is the only option there.
But on the mainstream computer market (desktops/laptops/servers, which is what I was referring to) they're really not that different from any other major vendor. There's certainly an Apple tax (as there is a Sony tax), but it's a market with much more compe ion for them, and much smaller margins.
In that market they source their components from just the same companies everyone else does. In that market though, their system design in certain areas has been top notch, but simply because it's one of the few areas where they can stand out.
France vs Argentina even in the Apple thread LMAO
hater is french?
He's not?hater is french?
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