Popovich rips Trump over coronavirus response

[tholdren]

I see your point and I agree somewhat.
Except for one obvious thing.
This virus is ultra transmissible, much easier to acquire than the flu it seems based on current data.

And unnecessary panic. The buck stops here:

The fundamental principles behind good public health communication are stunningly simple and obvious

Be consistent. Be accurate. Don’t withhold vital information. And above all, don’t let anyone on to the podium without the preparation, knowledge and discipline to deliver vital Health messages.

Straight from the CDC manual based on botched public health responses in the past.


Well it’s pretty obvious the current administration does not work like this. Who is in charge now and delivering the statements? is it Pence or Jared Kushner or has that changed again? Trump flies by the seat of his pants and you just don’t do this as a good leader of the most powerful nation on earth.

We got horrible advice from this administration and the CDC fd up the first round of tests and came too late to admit it. Financial markets and people react poorly when communication is ridiculously bad. And that goes straight to the top in this case. We wanted a new type of leadership, we got it.

But the cdc has done nothing to prevent the spread by responding with messages about good hygiene. As you may ha e seen from the videos these spokes people are licking their hands then touching the podium. Whispering to eachother in the background and coughing into their hands while telling people to hide? That is what is crazy. If people would practice good hygiene regularly, these pandemics would not be pandemics imo

[Frenchfred]

Italy is first-world. Healthcare and otherwise.

The infant mortality rate in the US (5.8/1,000) is higher than that of the EU, i.e., Italy (4.0/1,000).

Northern Italy (where the outbreak started) makes Ferarris we make (well, you get it) . . .

Another ranking of the healthcare systems in the world. Italy ahead of the US.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...-in-the-world/

[Frenchfred]

But the cdc has done nothing to prevent the spread by responding with messages about good hygiene. As you may ha e seen from the videos these spokes people are licking their hands then touching the podium. Whispering to eachother in the background and coughing into their hands while telling people to hide? That is what is crazy. If people would practice good hygiene regularly, these pandemics would not be pandemics imo

we agree on the good hygiene but since people don't do it, what should we do?

[ChumpDumper]

But the cdc has done nothing to prevent the spread by responding with messages about good hygiene. As you may ha e seen from the videos these spokes people are licking their hands then touching the podium. Whispering to eachother in the background and coughing into their hands while telling people to hide? That is what is crazy.

Yes, Trump set a horrible example.

[pgardn]

But the cdc has done nothing to prevent the spread by responding with messages about good hygiene. As you may ha e seen from the videos these spokes people are licking their hands then touching the podium. Whispering to eachother in the background and coughing into their hands while telling people to hide? That is what is crazy. If people would practice good hygiene regularly, these pandemics would not be pandemics imo

Yes they do.
Absolutely they do.

[tholdren]

we agree on the good hygiene but since people don't do it, what should we do?

Model appropriate behavior. Educate people. There isn't any of the latter to my knowledge. Just the response now. Hide. I am not sure how you could enforce those things. But closing up shop adds to the panic.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes they do.
Absolutely they do.

Dude chose not to see it. Doesn't fit his narrative.

[tholdren]

Yes they do.
Absolutely they do.

Ok, then maybe I should have said ineffective messages? Or too late messages?

[tholdren]

Dude chose not to see it. Doesn't fit his narrative.

104k posts. Sad

[BacktoBasics]

a week later we’re still at 50 deaths. Whip out the calculator and keep wishing for millions of American deaths you psychopaths.

europeans can quarantine and not work for a month because they’re used to being reliant on state welfare. don’t worry frenchfred, my passport will get some run once this media driven hysteria blows over

You didn’t really counter any argument against the lack of testing. Empty posting from you time and again. You’ve added nothing.

[ChumpDumper]

104k posts. Sad

Reduced to ad hominems when your narrative collapses. Sad.

[tholdren]

You didn’t really counter any argument against the lack of testing. Empty posting from you time and again. You’ve added nothing.

Honest, non trolling question for once, should everyone be tested?

[tholdren]

Reduced to ad hominems when your narrative collapses. Sad.

104k and getting pnwed

[ChumpDumper]

104k and getting pnwed

repeating the ad hominem and declaring victory

[Frenchfred]

Model appropriate behavior. Educate people. There isn't any of the latter to my knowledge. Just the response now. Hide. I am not sure how you could enforce those things. But closing up shop adds to the panic.

it is too bad that there is not an English version of this article but it explains the effects of not getting in contact with other people in case of an epidemic disease like coronavirus. In a nuts , if people live their lives not avoiding contact, France could be 100% contaminated in 6 months. By dividing contact by a factor of 4 from the beginning, the contamination rate stays around 6000 people.

https://sciencetonnante.wordpress.co...t9OlH53DESpgTA

[ChumpDumper]

Model appropriate behavior. Educate people. There isn't any of the latter to my knowledge.

Your knowledge is sorely lacking.

Where do you get your information to judge whether the effort to educate is there?

[tholdren]

it is too bad that there is not an English version of this article but it explains the effects of not getting in contact with other people in case of an epidemic disease like coronavirus. In a nuts , if people live their lives not avoiding contact, France could be 100% contaminated in 6 months. By dividing contact by a factor of 4 from the beginning, the contamination rate stays around 6000 people.

https://sciencetonnante.wordpress.co...t9OlH53DESpgTA

I will try to find a way to get that translated thank you!

[spurrunner]

Not really. If you dont go in unless you need to go in, and everyone uses appropriate hygiene I believe that this would also decrease. My whole point revolves around misleading stats and panic inducing media has purported hide rather than hygiene.

Next year 1 person gets the flu or this respiratory virus does the world shut down? No matter what happens here, see the guy above, everyone will think hiding worked. When in reality, no one will ever know because everyone seems to think that the only real cases are those that are tested and confirmed. It's crazy.

Look, this isn't about preventing people from getting the disease, we can't. It's about delaying the spread so our medical system has time to handle all the sick patients. It's about bringing the mortality rate from 5% (Italy) down to .2%. Read this article: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...can-save-lives.

[ChumpDumper]

Look, this isn't about preventing people from getting the disease, we can't. It's about delaying the spread so our medical system has time to handle all the sick patients. It's about bringing the mortality rate from 5% (Italy) down to .2%. Read this article: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...can-save-lives.

He can't read it. Then he'll know it exists.

[tholdren]

Look, this isn't about preventing people from getting the disease, we can't. It's about delaying the spread so our medical system has time to handle all the sick patients. It's about bringing the mortality rate from 5% (Italy) down to .2%. Read this article: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...can-save-lives.

I agree with you. I just dont agree with the how they are attempting to do this. My point about hygiene: if you are sick stay at home, if you have a pre existing condition during flu season stay at home, wash hands, dont touch your face etc.

When you start giving out mortality rate, which is misleading at best, then you induce panic and send people who dont need tested out to get tests. There is nothing your doctor can do for you if it is viral and you have no preexisting condition you will not die.

But again, I agree with you about the burden on the system being problematic and dangerous. I think we should be trying to figure out how to prevent this issue without hibernation.

Sadly, no one will really know. You will think this worked, I will think it was overreaching. But it's fun to argue about.

[Atl Spur]

All this foolish back & forth will soon be resolved.....lots of people are going to die! Let’s see your responses when people you love are affected because you ( tholdren & crew ) obviously don’t use intellect or display empathy before posting! Everyone gets a turn to do the right thing no matter how big or small...... choose wisely homie(s).

[Genovaswitness]

You think our deaths are low because of healthcare infrastructure?

yes

United States has barely the same healthcare system than Italy in terms of quality and way behind a lot of countries. Stop watching ER, the good doctor, grey anatomy...

https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/reve...-systems-2019/

"ceoworld.biz"

LOL, you choose to be uninformed and spread bad information. Italy has a better, more comprehensive healthcare system than the US, it's just being inundated because they ignored the data on c19 like the US.

You are not only embarrassing yourself, but dangerous. All your posts show that don't give a about anyone but yourself, so why would any of us listen to you?

Just be quiet.

how is it "better" or "more comprehensive"? something went wrong in italy for them to be where they are, tent ICUs and all

Italy is first-world. Healthcare and otherwise.

The infant mortality rate in the US (5.8/1,000) is higher than that of Italy (3.3/1,000).

Northern Italy (where the outbreak started) makes Ferarris we make (well, you get it) . . .

I'm willing to wager the amount of high risk pregnancies that are brought to term are higher in the US. on its own it's a pretty weak metric

[Genovaswitness]

You didn’t really counter any argument against the lack of testing. Empty posting from you time and again. You’ve added nothing.

not even at 60 deaths today

[Prime BEEF]

Look, this isn't about preventing people from getting the disease, we can't. It's about delaying the spread so our medical system has time to handle all the sick patients. It's about bringing the mortality rate from 5% (Italy) down to .2%. Read this article: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...can-save-lives.

The current US stats are 3,400 tested positive and 63 deaths. 1.85% of those tested positive have died.

[BacktoBasics]

not even at 60 deaths today

You really don’t know that because there’s wasn’t any testing of the dead. There’s hardly any testing now. It’s virtually nonexistent.

Are you really this ing stupid? You can’t point to a statistic that is built on a foundation of no testing. It’s a non starter at this point.

Let me be clear. You can’t point to contributing deaths with little to no testing. Incredibly stupid of you to fail to comprehend that.