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    If I was the Nets GM I'd offer one unprotected pick swap to get of the Simmons deal one year early but that's about it.

    Next years free agent class is hard to predict. Lots of guys with player options for next year. Lebron, AD, Kawhi, Paul George, Jrue Holiday, Anunoby.

    The UFA crop is kinda weak and old. Klay Thompson, Harden, Tobias Harris, Claxton, DDR, Siakim.

    It hard to say how badly the Nets want to try the super team route again.

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    So I keep coming back to Simmons for a few reasons:

    1. Spurs would be trading away expiring contracts which should be enticing to BKN. They would be able to chase a major player next year.
    2. BKN lost Harris, Curry, Mills, & Watanabe so our role players could help that issue. They need to be good this year and not bank on Simmons since their pick is owed to Houston.
    3. They have more picks available then just the PHX picks. They also have Philly’s from the Ben Simmons trade and a Dallas pick which would be amazing.
    4. Spurs have so many players to give playing time to so honestly if Simmons doesn’t bounce back (as long as the picks make sense) it’s not the worst thing to happen.
    i dont think the nets are going to be compelled to move the picks they have just to move off a contract. i dont think this is their window to compete without a legit star. bridges is emerging but i dont think they're pushing the chips in right now and giving up picks to do so

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    So if Mamu signs his deal that will be 4 players that need to be waived/traded right?

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    So if Mamu signs his deal that will be 4 players that need to be waived/traded right?
    It's 3 with Mamu signed. It would have been 4 if Barlow had signed an NBA deal.

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    Out of the candidates for a consolidation trade (save Birch, they're all too useful to buyout), from most to least in terms of likelihood to be on the team, I'd rank it as follows: McDermott, Graham, Osman, Bullock, Payne, Birch.


    So I keep coming back to Simmons for a few reasons:

    1. Spurs would be trading away expiring contracts which should be enticing to BKN. They would be able to chase a major player next year.
    2. BKN lost Harris, Curry, Mills, & Watanabe so our role players could help that issue. They need to be good this year and not bank on Simmons since their pick is owed to Houston.
    3. They have more picks available then just the PHX picks. They also have Philly’s from the Ben Simmons trade and a Dallas pick which would be amazing.
    4. Spurs have so many players to give playing time to so honestly if Simmons doesn’t bounce back (as long as the picks make sense) it’s not the worst thing to happen.
    Unless it's part of a trade where they acquire a core piece, I don't see the Nets (who supposedly plan to play Simmons at PG) paying to get off him at this point because there's no incentive to otherwise.

    I don't see their depth or lack there of (though downgrades, Walker IV, Smith Jr. and Bazley were signed as back end rotation replacements) as an issue for a projected play-in type team.

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    Out of the candidates for a consolidation trade (save Birch, they're all too useful to buyout), from most to least in terms of likelihood to be on the team, I'd rank it as follows: McDermott, Graham, Osman, Bullock, Payne, Birch.




    Unless it's part of a trade where they acquire a core piece, I don't see the Nets (who supposedly plan to play Simmons at PG) paying to get off him at this point because there's no incentive to otherwise.

    I don't see their depth or lack there of (though downgrades, Walker IV, Smith Jr. and Bazley were signed as back end rotation replacements) as an issue for a projected play-in type team.
    I can see both sides of the decision for sure.

    Really the player I want is Conley. He has always been a “Spurs guy” to me and I’d love to have a better PG for Wemby. I’m thinking something like Graham, Payne, & Osman for Conley but who knows.

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    I can see both sides of the decision for sure.

    Really the player I want is Conley. He has always been a “Spurs guy” to me and I’d love to have a better PG for Wemby. I’m thinking something like Graham, Payne, & Osman for Conley but who knows.
    But what would that accomplish for the Timberwolves? They're trying to win now and Conley is on an expiring contract as is.

    He's a low end starter at this point, but still better than the clear backup options the Spurs could offer.

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    I can see both sides of the decision for sure.

    Really the player I want is Conley. He has always been a “Spurs guy” to me and I’d love to have a better PG for Wemby. I’m thinking something like Graham, Payne, & Osman for Conley but who knows.
    I like Conley, but I'm not sure what Minny's roster situation is, if they can accept a lopsided trade, or if they want positive value in return.

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    But what would that accomplish for the Timberwolves? They're trying to win now and Conley is on an expiring contract as is.

    He's a low end starter at this point, but still better than the clear backup options the Spurs could offer.
    It just depends on how they value 2nd’s and younger guards.

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    I can see both sides of the decision for sure.

    Really the player I want is Conley. He has always been a “Spurs guy” to me and I’d love to have a better PG for Wemby. I’m thinking something like Graham, Payne, & Osman for Conley but who knows.
    He's literally the only starting quality PG for Minny. Their backup is some 27 YO I never heard of who averaged 4p/3a.

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    He's literally the only starting quality PG for Minny. Their backup is some 27 YO I never heard of who averaged 4p/3a.
    McLaughlin. He's the only other true PG, but will probably be more of a deep bench player with the addition of Milton.

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    I like Conely too but not sure Minny traded for him last year only to lose him for a bunch of end of bench guys + a couple of seconds... They may find better offers from a contender at the trade deadline and as been said they're depleted at the PG spot.

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    Sidy signs a standard NBA deal and not a two-way. https://www.poundingtherock.com/2023...hree-year-deal

    I think that brings the roster count to 20 (when including the 2 two-deals for Barlow and Rice).

    I don't think the team has made the re-signing of Mamu official, yet. That seems like one of the last dominoes to fall.

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    Sidy signs a standard NBA deal and not a two-way. I think that brings the roster count to 20 (when including the 2 two-deals for Barlow and Rice).

    I don't think the team has made the re-signing of Mamu official, yet. That seems like one of the last dominoes to fall.
    that was also just made official

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    barring no trades, id assume birch/payne/osman getting waived
    Exactly. I don’t think it’s that hard to connect dots to Payne and Osman being the ones cut since the Spurs got some hard cash in the trades for each of those players. They’ll maybe try a consolidation trade, but I’m not holding my breath. Plus they’d have to cut a 4th player in that case, for example in a Lowry 3 for 1.

    I also think they like Bullock the way Wright talked about him at summer league. He’s also the one of the recent acquisitions that has any potential value at the deadline.

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    There will likely be teams interested in Payne. He’s a nice backup.

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    There will likely be teams interested in Payne. He’s a nice backup.
    Maybe, but not in a trade for value. Everyone knows spurs have to make 3 cuts, and that he’s likely one of those.

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    Maybe, but not in a trade for value. Everyone knows spurs have to make 3 cuts, and that he’s likely one of those.
    Yes, we have to make cuts, but if a team wants him, they’ll have to compete with 28 other teams for cut players.

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    ^ I feel he could have been had for very little if someone really wanted him. It’s why PHX had to PAY to get off him.

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    ^ I feel he could have been had for very little if someone really wanted him. It’s why PHX had to PAY to get off him.
    They paid to get off in because of the second apron. They HAD to trade him into cap space to clear cap for themselves
    . We will not be so constrained. Players also have different values at the beginning of the season, and at the deadline. Contenders separate from the pack, and are looking for veteran playoff depth, and Cam has played in the Finals.

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    None of the expiring players has been announced in any fashion, no press conference, no nothing, despite being in the fold for some time now. Doesn't necessarily mean anything, but we'll see.

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    They paid to get off in because of the second apron. They HAD to trade him into cap space to clear cap for themselves
    . We will not be so constrained. Players also have different values at the beginning of the season, and at the deadline. Contenders separate from the pack, and are looking for veteran playoff depth, and Cam has played in the Finals.
    I think we ARE constrained when it comes to
    him but just in a different way: the roster crunch. His path to the team just got even harder after todays news.

    I’ll concede that it may well come down to who they think in October 2022 will have more value in February 2023 as between him and Bullock. In a league that values the 3/D archetype, I’m leaning Bullock right now.

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    They paid to get off in because of the second apron. They HAD to trade him into cap space to clear cap for themselves
    . We will not be so constrained. Players also have different values at the beginning of the season, and at the deadline. Contenders separate from the pack, and are looking for veteran playoff depth, and Cam has played in the Finals.
    Keep cam who has finals experience and drop Wesley instead. We don’t have time to develop raw prospects any more. We need to support Wemby with the best players possible from this seasons starting game on and just keep swapping for even better players as we can.

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    Keep cam who has finals experience and drop Wesley instead. We don’t have time to develop raw prospects any more. We need to support Wemby with the best players possible from this seasons starting game on and just keep swapping for even better players as we can.
    We have I think ten players under 23. We have a lot of raw players.

    I'm pretty sure the team won't be in the finals next year.

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    We have I think ten players under 23. We have a lot of raw players.

    I'm pretty sure the team won't be in the finals next year.
    I’m saying best players should be put around Wemby. We don’t need to surround him with rooks and prospects. Just good nba players.

    Most of our guys under 23 have also proven they are very good players, ie Keldon, Vassell, Sochan and even Branham. Those guys might be young but can contribute. I’m saying drop all the prospect type players and replace them with the best vets available as we go. So keep Bullock and Cam and drop guys like Wesley and Barlow. And then replace Bullock and Cam with someone better as soon as the trade becomes available. That’s what I hope they do.

    My preference is that there is never anyone younger than Wemby on the team again. And every year they retool around what Wemby needs to field the best championship contender possible, starting this year (which I will admit we don’t quite know what he needs around him yet).

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