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In terms of defense:
Siakim >>>> Lauri
Ive been floated trades just like that….I think there is some real merit to that deal. Just have to see of course, but IMO something in that range, or even Keldon for pick 5 makes sense.
In terms of defense:
Siakim >>>> Lauri
I was talking on RealGM, and an idea that came from that was:
NOP: Sexton and Zach Collins
Spurs: Clarkson
Jazz: McCollum
Trading Collins for a sixth man seems like a win, and it would make using a draft pick on a center or otherwise spending real money on one a viable idea. Like if they went weird and drafted Clingan and Carter, they'd have:
Jones, Clarkson, Wesley
Vassell, Carter, Branham
________, Johnson, Champangie
Sochan, _________, Cissoko
Wembanyama, Clingan, Bassey
and they'd have about $25 Million in cap space and the RE to fill those last two spots. As far as who'd fill that, they could trade for Cam Johnson or try to sign Patrick Williams. Then the RE could be used on Mamu or Osman. Depending on what the trades would cost, it could be a solid off-season. But I don't see the same growth potential there as other mock off-seasons I've talked about. Carter and Clingan are solid picks who could fill the gaps well if the team had one last piece. But the lack of an impact forward looms large.
No. Evaluating was last season. Rebuilding begins in earnest this season.
Before 2023-24 began, PATFO publicly stated, "We want to see what we've got." And what they've got is a lot of veteran garbage.
Last season was the moment for Vassell to finally turn the corner, and he proved to be an awful decision-maker who isn't good at sharing the ball. Super-low BBIQ. Unable to create good shots for himself and teammates, which is why he took so many contested shots. He's not a leader. Keldon is limited as a scorer. Even more limited as a defender. Again, not a leader. Both have hit their ceiling, and neither is good enough to be a #2 or #3 option. 22 wins says as much.
Time to move on from them. And thus, rebuilding begins this season. There's no way this team can go forward with Vassell as a #2 or #3 option. He doesn't have the brains to carry the responsibility, which makes me sad to say because I was hopeful when the Spurs drafted him.
"Call Your Ideal Off-Season"?
My ideal is:
1) Draft Sarr, by whatever trade is necessary
2) Draft Castle, by whatever trade is necessary
3) Trade Vassell, especially if it helps conserve future draft assets. Team BBIQ will immediately improve. Addition by subtraction.
I don't foresee the team finding a permanent point guard solution this off-season, much as it's wanted.
With this draft, the Spurs have the chance to build toward a ruthless set of long, switchable defensive starters. Sarr will end up being an NBA wing, not a center. Castle, the same, even though right now he says he wants to be a point guard. Love that mentality, but he's gonna end up as a wing. I think they're gonna develop into scoring threats that can space the floor, but it'll take time because they're still raw. They're gonna be immediate difference makers on defense. Put them with VW, and move Vassell and hopefully Keldon too, and we're building a foundation that can win championships. Scoring and creating shots (beyond VW) will probably continue to be a problem in 2024-25, but the Spurs will be a problem for the league with VW, Sarr, Castle, and Sochan, growing together as elite NBA defenders.
This makes no sense.
Spurs get a great 6th man for a negative asset they want to get rid of.
NOLA gets out of CJ's contract and replaces him with a younger CJ, pretty much.
Jazz gets McCollum for whatever reason?
RealGM has the most unrealistic trade ideas.
Did you maybe forget to add picks in that trade?
Sorry, but you're proposing Spurs get rid of the only somewhat reliable shooter and have three non-shooters as key pieces next to Wemby?
Did Silver announce the removal of 3pt line or something? If he didn't, teams would legit give everyone on that roster Ben Simmons treatment.
No one has said Sarr and Castle are non-shooters. They're not elite outside scorers at this early stage of development, but that doesn't mean they're non-shooters. Defense and high BBIQ still wins championships. Every time.
Sarr and Castle are super-raw as offensive players right now, but the ability is there for them to develop into scorers. It'll take time. The Spurs are a garbage defensive team, even with VW, and that needs to change immediately. They can't get stops because 'the only somewhat reliable shooter' and KJ (amongst others) can't reliably defend in key moments. They're just not smart basketball players. Sarr and Castle are. I know everyone wants elite scorers at every position around VW, but without defense beyond VW, we're nowhere, as evidenced by a 22-win season.
Why did Timberwolves lose to Dallas, then?
Or Heat to Denver in last year's finals?
Castle and Sarr are non-shooters for all intents and purposes.
As is Sochan. Every NBA player can hit a three here and there if left wide open, even the likes of Deandre Jordan.
But if opponents want you to shoot and don't even bother closing out, you're a non-shooter.
Take Derrick Jones Jr as an example. 39% on 3 attempts in these playoffs.
Hit only one 3pt in three finals games. Mavericks are instantly a different team without him being able to hit those shots.
PJ Washington is a tier better shooter, made 36% on 6.6 attempts per game before the finals.
28% in the finals and even that's inflated because his first makes were during that fake comeback in G3.
Defense still wins championships, but only if those defenders (read: Derrick and Jrue) can shoot. The game has evolved past just defense.
This is the fifth straight year in the lottery. Second longest streak after the Pistons.Sarr and Castle are super-raw as offensive players right now, but the ability is there for them to develop into scorers. It'll take time.
Wemby is probably going to average like 25/12/5 with 4 blocks next season. You think he'll put up with two more years of garbage rosters and be happy with being this generation's KG?
You want to turn us into current Orlando. Did you watch their series against Cleveland? Great defense, noone can shoot for . They lost to Cavs without Allen, with no legit wings and with undersized backcourt.The Spurs are a garbage defensive team, even with VW, and that needs to change immediately. They can't get stops because 'the only somewhat reliable shooter' and KJ (amongst others) can't reliably defend in key moments.
We're nowhere because other than Wemby and Devin, noone else would get any minutes on a legit playoff team.They're just not smart basketball players. Sarr and Castle are. I know everyone wants elite scorers at every position around VW, but without defense beyond VW, we're nowhere, as evidenced by a 22-win season.
The entire roster is somewhere between subpar and awful defensively, but it was Collins who significantly tanked our defensive rating.
Replace him with an average backup rim-protector and Spurs instantly become average defensive team.
22nd in DRTG this season.
28th in 3pt%, despite being 16th in makes. Shoot enough volume, but noone can shoot for .
We shouldn't settle for one-dimensional players.
If we talk starting lineup, having more than one bad shooter around Wemby should never happen. Ideally you'd want everyone to shoot.
The same goes for defense. Can't have more than one bad defender.
I believe Sarr and Castle will eventually develop into offensive threats that play excellent defense. You don't.
They haven't played an NBA game yet. We'll see how it shakes out.
They can develop into reasonable offensive threats, not legit scorers.
Fwiw, I'd draft Sarr at #4 if he's available by some miracle.
Would have him as Wemby's backup, guaranteeing 48 minutes of elite rim protection until he develops his offensive game.
My trade(s) with DET were Keldon for pick 5 outright, or Keldon + 8 for Ivey + 5. Keldon is better than Ivey so DET should be paying SA for that which is why they move back 3 spots IMO
I do that deal easily if I am SA.
Just to nitpick a bit, the Spurs were 21st in threes made per 100 possessions. Raw makes is not a good stat because the Spurs played at such a fast pace.
I think you might be overestimating the gap between Collins and Clarkson. Collins is a negative contract on the Spurs but would be in line to start on a friendlier roster in New Orleans. The Pelicans are adamant about acquiring a more mobile stretch center, and there just aren't that many to choose from. Clarkson is a good sixth man, but he's far from perfect. I would be willing to toss in incentive, but probably not what you assume would be required.
Just because Collins took threes it doesn't mean he's a stretch big.
My personal #1 priority for the roster going forward is to get rid of him.
Our roster has many players who aren't going to stay in the league for much longer, but Collins was easily worse than all of them.
Collins and Zion on the floor together would easily be the worst defensive frontcourt duo in the league.
Clarkson isn't perfect, but he'd be the best scorer on our team.
A ludicrous proposal all the way around . . .
Sexton is basically a younger McCollum, which is to say not the play maker they need; though cheaper, younger and arguably better.
Collins provides no stretch, rim protection or defensive rebounding, all needs next to Williamson (I realize good luck checking all 3, but none?).
Clarkson entered his decline last season and wouldn't really check any box. I'd rather give Branham another shot than acquire him at this point.
Since McCollum is the inverse of what I said about Sexton, he doesn't do anything for them either other than make them older.
Never been to big on this sort of research but Klay unfollowed the Warriors and deleted Warriors related content lol
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...re-free-agency
I personally have always taken him as a whiny little hoe so this sounds like something he would do when he realized he isn’t getting his final bag there.
There's this extremely dillusional Warriors fan channel I stumbled on on YouTube that considers Klay staying a non-negotiable and believes GS can make moves to bring in stars around them. Like he thinks a team would trade the 16th-overall pick for Moody. Hilarious stuff.
its about time warriors falling apart.Now is our time to return.Also seeing paul george and
clippers not on the same page for a contract.Would be awesome to see clippers,lakers,and
warriors all start to fade from contention.
I see no scenario where we trade back with 4. The look on BW’s face when the Spurs drew 4 at the lottery tells you how disappointed he was to not be picking higher. If they trade with Detroit or CHA,it will likely be 8 and then another asset to move up.
Agree with this. DET and CHA are both clear candidates for Spurs to trade with here vs trading back. I wouldn’t be mad at a solid trade back but I dont think it’s most likely.
Draft Castle and Knect.
Hold on to the Atlanta picks. I won't rehash Trae Young deals here, except to say I'm not opposed, but really not in favor either. If the ATL cache of picks were to be dealt, I'd rather go after Cade Cunningham. Imagine a backcourt rotation of Cade, Castle, and Vassell (make sure Vassell works for that next contract), with Tre Jones juicing the bench play.
Try to deal Chicago and Charlotte picks for a starting guard (assuming the Atlanta picks have not been dealt). Use Keldon to sweeten the deal
No bad contracts. I think the Zac Collins contract is a blessing in disguise. It reminded the front office of what not to do, without wrecking the franchise. Kind of like sticking a paper clip in an electrical socket. I would stick to low-key free-agent additions, with a moderate deal for Batum, or maybe even a heavy one-year contract for say 20M, with the idea that we see Sochan become fully actualized on the court. If I'm the owner, my only order to PATFO is no bad contracts.
Pains me to say it, but run back Branham and Wesley one more season. I'm not ready to give up on them yet. Likewise for Barlow; he's a bit of ugly duckling at the moment, but I swear I see somethng good in him on the court, like a Shane Battier. Bring back Mamu too for depth.
Advance in the play-in, play well in the first round of the playoffs and set the league on notice that that the Spurs will be owning this in 2026.
I would LOVE to have Clarkson here! But I hate the idea of Jones being the starter in front of Clarkson. And you don't have Mamu in there either and to me he's a no brainer keeper over at least 4 or 5 other guys there
My ideal offseason is that Wemby won't get hurt in the Olympics.
once you make it into the top 5 and get thru that commercial break, everybody looks disappointed when their name is called
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