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    I think the foul wasn`t because Nowitzki stepped on TD foot...
    If TD looked straigh at Dirk's eyes was called a foul, ridiculous ...

    But not only that is the reason, remember stupid move ... NAZR and Oberto losing 2 opps under the board, Barry walking in a good motion, Manu going bad from court, TP passing the ball (perfectly) to a refs, etc., etc., the only guy that played at his level was TD

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    i'm not sure if this was already posted but here are some articles from a few years back in 2003...the spurs have been defending the refs until now because they have always gotten the benefit of the calls because they are a good defensive team...why can't that same reason be said for the mavs?

    2003 Playoffs, number of free throws taken in the Spurs/Mavs series:

    Game 2: Spurs 45 Mavs 22
    Game 3: Spurs 26 Mavs 6
    Game 4: Spurs 31 Mavs 13

    By Jim Reeves
    Star-Telegram Staff Writer

    SAN ANTONIO - Just in case the Mavericks were contemplating the wild and crazy idea of turning the I-35 Series into a one-way street with all signs pointing north to Dallas, the Spurs and the NBA combined to slap that notion right out of their heads Wednesday night.

    Technically speaking, it was a speed trap of the first order.

    The Mavs never had a chance in Game 2 of the Western Conference Finals at the SBC Center. This one was so predictable, it was almost a cliché.

    Call it an insane grassy-knoll theory or simply paranoid provincial journalism, but I'm convinced the last thing the NBA wanted was for the Mavs to be up 2-0 on the Spurs with the series headed back to Dallas on Friday night. Not good. Not good at all.

    The Spurs' 119-106 victory made sure that traffic will continue to run both ways on I-35 for at least one more trip back to River City and probably more. David Stern can breathe a sigh of relief. He doesn't have two blowout conference finals on his hands.

    Granted, chances are the Mavs weren't going to win this one anyway.

    Teams don't usually win when their star player -- Dirk Nowitzki in the Mavs' case -- sits out eight minutes in the first half with three quick fouls, or when he hits just 4 of 11 shots while on the floor in the first two periods.

    The Mavs don't usually win when Nowitzki, Steve Nash and Nick Van Exel go a combined 5-of-21 while the game is still somewhat in doubt.

    And they almost never win when they get hit with five technical fouls in the first half alone. Or when head coach Don Nelson gets tossed before the end of the first quarter for the grievous sin of refusing to join his team in the huddle. Or when assistant coach Del Harris gets run for ... what? I'm still not sure what he did, but he was definitely ready to go.

    They almost never win when the other team takes 23 more free throws or makes 26 of 28 in the first half alone.

    But wouldn't it have been nice to have discovered what might have happened if the Big Three on the SBC Center floor had been Nowitzki, Nash and Michael Finley instead of overzealous refs Joey Crawford, **** Bavetta and Ted Bernhardt?

    Heaven help me, I'm starting to sound like Mark Cuban.

    On the other hand, if there wasn't another agenda at work Wednesday night, you'd have a hard time convincing the Mavs.

    "It was tough to play through it," Van Exel said of the early one-sided officiating. "The only thing players wish is that players are able to decide and dictate the flow of the game. That's all we ask. I let it take me out of my game tonight."

    It not only robbed the Mavs of Nowitzki's presence at a crucial point of the game, but it rattled their concentration and derailed any attempt at setting a quick first-half tempo.

    "We have to have [Nowitzki] on the court to win games," Van Exel said.

    And Big Nellie on the bench would have helped, too.

    Nelson's may have been the most outrageous ejection in sports since umpire Terry Cooney tossed Boston's Roger Clemens for talking to himself in the American League playoffs years ago.

    "The manner in which he was ejected tonight was surprising," assistant Donnie Nelson agreed. "That was peculiar."

    Not to Crawford.

    "[Nelson] tried to show me up, so I ejected him," Crawford told TNT's Craig Sager during a halftime report. "As for Del Harris, he wanted to get thrown out ... he even told me he did, so he came out on the court."

    Sager's televised report was released in printed form to the media during the second half ... by the NBA, of course.

    "I think the officiating has been awesome," was Cuban's on-the-record quote at halftime. "They've really stepped up and taken control like you'd expect NBA officials to do."

    He kept a straight face when he said it, too, which is rather difficult when your tongue is practically sticking through your cheek.

    Cuban was a little more straight-forward when he saw the NBA's release of the Sager report after the game.

    "I don't understand, how does anybody show up a ref?" Cuban pleaded. "Please, give me an example of how a coach shows up a ref."

    Apparently he does so by standing on the sideline, staring at him.

    The Mavs made a final, gritty run at the Spurs, slicing a lead that had been as high as 28 points to eight midway through the final period, but that was as close as they would get.

    "It took us a whole half to get our focus back, but by then the game was already determined," Van Exel said.

    Determined even before the tip, perhaps?

    "Did it look like that?" he countered.

    Yeah, it kinda looked like that.

    You're right. Next game I'll see if Cuban will loan me one of his Mavs' jerseys.

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    Refs suck!

    That is obvius.

    I was so pissed off.
    Last edited by themvp; 05-14-2006 at 07:34 AM.

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    Joe Crawford was the lead official. I can't really complain because he always gives the Spurs a chance to win.

    Hopefully we get Danny Crawford for game four.

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    Tim just said that in the post game conference.

    'He didn't touch me, I didn't touch him. I was just getting out of the way when he was trying to create contact. There was zero contact on that play.'
    Duncan's forearm got Nowitski low, and Nowitski cleared out high. That late in such a hotly contested playoff game between the 2 best teams in the west, it should have been a no-call though. Neither contact was that bad. Only reason a foul was called (I hope) is because Nowitski went down.

    But you gotta give Nowitski props for sacking it up after that.

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    This reminds me of what happened in game 1 of Nets vs. Pacers in which Krstic got called for a touch foul. Man oh man are these game deciding ticky tack calls hard to swallow.

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    Replay would make the games too long. Missed calls and bad calls are part of the fabric of the game...
    Perhaps a booth review starting at the 2 minute mark. No challenges or any of that crap. Just something that allows someone with access to a video feed to take a look at a call and overturn it if it's egregiously wrong. There's no reason today why games and series should be determined by an obviously poor call when the technology is there. Maybe limit it simply to all foul calls resulting in a trip to the line.

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    Wasn't that when that bozo Nelson was doing the Hack a Bruce?
    This quote is worth repeating.

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    Spurs could have won the game. Mistakes and not the officiating caused the loss.

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    Duncan was standing in the circle and tripped Dirk.. You aren't supposed to make any kind of contact where Duncan was..

    And even if you disregard that call.. there was a blatant hit to Dirk's face I think by Duncan and there was no call.. the announcers said it.. Dirk even laughed at the refs that there was no call..

    For Spurs to complain bout Dirk getting calls when Duncan gets calls with zero contact is a joke.. and for Duncan himself to say something.. it's an affront to basketball fans everywhere.

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    The Spurs fans are upset and rightfully so. We are the defending champions and yet we receive less respect than any team in the playoffs. I don't a believe the issue is referees. It's money. The NBA is losing its fan base state side and their trying to mix it up. The Spurs just don't draw, nationally. The refs are just the vehicle. People have been put to death with less evidence.

    As for the game, the Mav's didn't even belong in the building las night and yet they were given their prize.

    The Spurs won't complaint. They have too much class for that. The Mavericks? Well, they will do everything they can to whine themselves to a championship. The problem is if they can whine their way past the Spurs they will meet their match in the ultimate whine team the Pistons.

    I just wish if this is the way the NBA is going to play it just let us know so we can quit wasting our time. Would I be happy if the roles where reversed? No. Winning at any cost is not winning at all. If this game had happened to the Mav's or the Pistons I would have been equally upset as I am a fan of the game first and foremost. It's just a shame that pro sports in the U.S. can't seem to keep the refs from overshadowing its games.

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    Absolute bull officiating on Duncan. The Spurs honestly had that game stolen from them by the refs (NBA).

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    Refs + the NBA


    Now it will take an extra game to finish off these ing Mavs

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    Duncan was standing in the circle and tripped Dirk.. You aren't supposed to make any kind of contact where Duncan was..

    And even if you disregard that call.. there was a blatant hit to Dirk's face I think by Duncan and there was no call.. the announcers said it.. Dirk even laughed at the refs that there was no call..

    For Spurs to complain bout Dirk getting calls when Duncan gets calls with zero contact is a joke.. and for Duncan himself to say something.. it's an affront to basketball fans everywhere.
    Tripped Dirk? wtf are you talking about. Dirk stepped on Duncan's foot. Trip was when Paker was diving to the basket on an over the top pass, got tripped and the ref swallowed the whistle. In case you never understood that's what a trip is.

    Dirk is a flopping, flailing pussy.
    At least manu has the bruises to show he takes hit. Dirk's got a pulled vagina.

    Go back and watch the last quarter where Manu drives to the basket for a midrange from the left wing, Dampier shoves him in the chest backwards as he takes the shot, refs stares and does zero. Dampier is a no talent hack who grabs, holds, pushes on every play. He makes Madsen look like a finesse player.

    there was a blatant hit to Dirk's face I think by Duncan and there was no call..
    Sounds like you could have reffed that game.

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    And for the people talking about the conspiracy theories here is my list of some of the worst officiated games of all time (tell me more I forget!):

    1. 2000 Lakers vs. Blazers (Game 7): Lakers come back from down 15 in the greatest comeback in a game 7 of all time. Whoever remebers this game will remeber the Lakers run was fueled by some of the spookiest calls of all time. I will never forget the palyers faces every time the wistle would go.

    2. 2002 Lakers vs. Kings (Game 6): Mike Bibby laying on the floor bleeding after receiving an elbow from Kobe. Everybody know all the rest, this one is infamous!

    3. 2006 Lakers vs. Suns (Game 4): All I have to say is the leagues two time MVP getting malued and nobody did anything.

    4.1993 Knicks vs. Bulls (Game 6): Yeah all of Charles Smith's shots were "clean" blocks by the Jordan and gang, yet Duncan fouled Dirk tonight !

    Jordan... Lets not even go there, this guy never got called for anything! I mean he pushed Russel away and it is replayed everyday like here it is we don't care!

    The NBA is very obvious in the fact that the refs are helping the league as a business!
    Well, you said you wanted to know more injustices, so here it is:

    5. 2003 - Mavs vs. Spurs - 2003 playoff series - The proof is in the stats. 209 total free throw attempts for the Spurs and only 125 free throw attempts for the Mavs. Below is the game by game break down of the pathetic officiating.

    All I know is, I didn't hear the Spurs or their fans complaining back then.

    Game 1: Mavs 50 Spurs 48
    Game 2: Spurs 45 Mavs 22
    Game 3: Spurs 26 Mavs 6
    Game 4: Spurs 31 Mavs 13
    Game 5: Spurs 38 Mavs 23
    Game 6: Spurs 21 Mavs 11

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    The Mavs were passive jumpshooters back in 2003, so they didn't get fouled on drives. Mavs play a different game now.

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    MavsFanSinceDayOne,

    You can't make a fair comparison. That Dallas team did nothing but shoot jumpers, and the Spurs did nothing but score in the paint. A team that lives and dies in the paint is going to have more FT attempts than a team that's just jacking up jumpers.

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    I hate when Spurs fans whine about the officials. it, move on.
    You're the sorry sellout that leaves Spurs games early and quits on your team.

    I hate it when morons like you with pompous at udes think they are above everyone else and come in to different threads to give a quick take to let everyone know they are stupid as if You are Mr. Know It All.

    Get over yourself, sellout.

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    you Refs and David Stern

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    Unbelievable...here I thought this forum was different based on what I've read over the past few months, and here everybody (most anyway) is whining like little es...


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    Gotta love Spurs.. they expect every call but ignore the fact their guys get away with murder.

    It makes me sick you people are complaining aobut calls when you consider all the crap Bowen gets away with on Dirk..

    You people need to really check yourself. You should be ashamed to win a championship with all the stuff Bowen gets away with. You don't derserve to win a championship.

    I don't care how much Bowen works.. or how much of a blue collar guy he is.. a foul is a foul is a foul.. and that's the only way Bowen can guard Dirk.. is to foul him.

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    A flop is a flop...and that's the only way Dirk can shake loose from Bowen...is to flop like a fish out of water

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    Consensus on these boards holds that it is "obvious" (thanks Corso) that the refs have orders to make sure this series goes 7 games or is won by Dallas.

    Anyone here want to make that claim? You guys remind me of a media personality called Riley Martin, who insists he attained knowledge of an alien race by being abducted. The refs are intentionally delivering this series to the mavs, George Bush bombed the world trade center, and the illuminati control the world. Believing this sort of thing won't make it true, it will only reveal a lot about anyone who is willing to believe this sort of wild speculation and their unwillingness to accept subjective reality.

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    Dude, any non-spur non mavs fan of hte game could tell we got jobbed last night. I made a commitment to not complain about the refs this time around, but that was too much.

    We ing got an inadvertant whistle that turned into a jump ball in game 2, then dirk steps on duncan's ankle and duncan fouls out. Theres no rhetoric to butter those up into something they are not. What they are: bull .

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    All my vBookie money that this clown won't be here much longer.

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