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    I don't know if this has been brought up, so forgive me if I am mistaken.

    Some people believe that the entire Bible, word for word, has meaning in todays society and is to be taken literally. I will ignore those who believe the Old Testament is literal because that has been proven wrong so many times it would be a waste of time.

    In Colassions 4:1, the new testament, you can find this verse.

    -"Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven."

    This is talking to Christians, it implies that it is morally acceptable for Christians to own slaves. How, then, can people use Pauls new testament verses on womens right as fact??

    This is clearly talking directly to people in that time period, and has no place in our society. If this is true, then perhaps more of the Bible isn't meant to be taken literally, or used in todays society.
    It's not talking about "slavery". It refers to the employer employee relationship.

    Please cite verses on Paul and Womens rights.

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    What is your grounds of proof for this claim. That and the other verse seem to explicitly speak of slavery, they even use the term.

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    As for the verses on womens rights, they will have to wait until I see my fiancee later. I am no biblical scholar, and she was the one who brought them to my attention a few months ago.

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    there were slaves in the OT, anyone who has read it knows this
    but there will always be hardcore faux christians who construe the bible in any way they see fit

    its like trying to make muslims believe in the christian god
    but different

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    There were slaves in the NT as well, and 2cents, I looked in the back index of my bible, and it talks, very plainly about slavery, cementing my view that this is, in fact, actual slavery.

    How can it say slavery, and speak of slavery, but you refuse to believe it is slavery.

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    How will I ever know when he forgives me? Will he intelligently design a thought inside my brain that makes me know I am forgiven?
    God reacts to genuine, heartfelt communion from his creation. If you ask in that manner what you experience will be more than a thought.

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    So you believe god created me?

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    So you believe god created me?
    Okay CBF, I'll play...for now. Yes.

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    all i am trying to prove is that the muslim god is the one true god, and it is us americans going to live in for eternity, while they harems beautiful tanned full breasted virgins for eons at a time

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    god is dead and noone cares

    if there is a , i'll see you there

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    god is dead and noone cares

    if there is a , i'll see you there
    I pray to God you are wrong on this one.

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    The Real Wrold, unattainable for the moment, but promised to the wise, the pious, the virtuous man ('to the sinner who repents')
    ---(Progress of the idea: it grows more refined, more enticing, more incomprehensible -- it becomes a woman, it becomes Christian...)

    --Nietzsche

    (bolded by CBF)

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    I pray to God you are wrong on this one.

    that post was Reznor

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    god is dead and noone cares

    if there is a , i'll see you there
    Here's another one you might like.
    "I swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no ".

    -Blood, Sweat and Tears- (And When I Die)

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    Re: slavery cf: Philemon

    The NT has numerous instances of general moral teaching applied to specific social situations which may not occur in a different society, like slavery, or the whole women's hair thing in Corinth.

    And then there was the whole Oracle at Delphi problem, which turned early church services into a mix between Benny Hinn, the Jerry Springer Show, and the oxygen network.

    Now if your church sounds like a mix between Benny Hinn, the Jerry Springer Show, and the oxygen network, you would do well to follow Paul's specific guidance to the women at the church of Corinth pretty closely. Otherwise, keep the cultural context in mind, and focus on the general moral principles being communicated.

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    all i am trying to prove is that the muslim god is the one true god, and it is us americans going to live in for eternity, while they harems beautiful tanned full breasted virgins for eons at a time
    If you convert to Islam now, you're safe from terrorists

    You could change your name to Mahmoud Cant Be al-Faded.

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    then explain to me few things:

    1. Explain to me the existence of a conscience? If there's no higher power why do we have a sense of right and wrong?

    2. Do rapist, murders, child molestors, and thieves who get away with their crimes on earth ever pay for their transgressions? If not, why do most people feel like they do? Is it because like the bible says we are created in God's image and the bible says violators of the law will pay the price?
    Are you seriously debating the same guy who said 94% of all woman are pros utes, and who follows the Gospel according to Tom Leykis?

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    If you convert to Islam now, you're safe from terrorists

    You could change your name to Mahmoud Cant Be al-Faded.


    now that was moderatly funny

    instead of accusing me for not beleiving in an unproven ideal, how about you make your fellow man laugh?

    that causes more immediate good than does forcing an unprovable ideal upon another
    doesn't it?
    and i can't imagine any 300 year wars going on because you're making someone laugh g

    -cbf

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    now that was moderatly funny

    instead of accusing me for not beleiving in an unproven ideal, how about you make your fellow man laugh?

    that causes more immediate good than does forcing an unprovable ideal upon another
    doesn't it?
    and i can't imagine any 300 year wars going on because you're making someone laugh g

    -cbf
    Well if we can't go to war over religion then there's always oil

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    Although if you repent now, I hear that in heaven Vince Young never graduates and Matt Leinart has that stunned hurt puppy visage for all eternity.

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    god is dead and noone cares

    if there is a , i'll see you there

    I might have said this before... but think about this comment:

    Not one athiest resides in .

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    If you convert to Islam now, you're safe from terrorists

    You could change your name to Mahmoud Cant Be al-Faded.

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    I don't know what it is but this is the same hememegogaba who has 3 degrees from MIT, but doesn't believe in evolution!


    AND extra stout isn't funny at all, he's a poor mans clandestino, posing as vashner!

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    I don't know what it is but this is the same hememegogaba who has 3 degrees from MIT, but doesn't believe in evolution!


    AND extra stout isn't funny at all, he's a poor mans clandestino, posing as vashner!

    I don't know what it is but you should really consider retirement... for good.

    And FYI I happen to believe GOD guides evolutionary shifts to preserve His Creation as He sees fit.... it's not some random unguided process... nor can it be proven as such.

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    I don't know what it is but this is the same hememegogaba who has 3 degrees from MIT, but doesn't believe in evolution!


    AND extra stout isn't funny at all, he's a poor mans clandestino, posing as vashner!
    I don't know what it is but your knowledge of classic 1960's British comedy is sorely lacking.

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