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    Why plant bombs that would go off at times other than the actual collapse?


    In places completely uncritical to the total structure?


    And occupied by busy financial corporations?
    You hit the nail on the head. By placing bombs in non-essential places, and setting them off well before the collapse, you throw investigators totally off the track.

    The investigatiors will think; "Gee whiz, they must not be bombs, they wouldn't set the bombs to go off one hour before collapse."

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    You hit the nail on the head. By placing bombs in non-essential places, and setting them off well before the collapse, you through investigators totally off the track.
    And planted them in plain sight in working offices.

    After getting the explosives past the bomb-sniffing dogs in the parking garage.

    The investigatiors will think; "Gee whiz, they must not be bombs, they wouldn't set the bombs to go off one hour before collapse."
    then what would they think they are?

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    And planted them in plain sight in working offices.

    After getting the explosives past the bomb-sniffing dogs in the parking garage.

    then what would they think they are?
    the bombs were planted on the core columns next to the elevator shafts. There are no offices there, nor do bomb-sniffing dogs go into elevator shafts. The bomb sniffing dogs were removed the weekend before 9/11 anyway.

    If you look at the collapsing towers, you can see that rows 7 and 8 of the core standing longer than rows 5, 6, 9, and 10.

    Rows 5, 6, 9, and 10 were next to the elevator shafts, 7 and 8 weren't. Rows 7 and 8 were smaller than the others as well.

    These bombs scared the bejesus out of people, increasing terror, which is why many bombs went off well before the collapse.

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    the bombs were planted on the core columns next to the elevator shafts. There are no offices there, nor do bomb-sniffing dogs go into elevator shafts. The bomb sniffing dogs were removed the weekend before 9/11 anyway.
    That's a lie. One of the dogs was killed in the collapse.

    If you look at the collapsing towers, you can see that rows 7 and 8 of the core standing longer than rows 5, 6, 9, and 10.

    Rows 5, 6, 9, and 10 were next to the elevator shafts, 7 and 8 weren't. Rows 7 and 8 were smaller than the others as well.

    These bombs scared the bejesus out of people, increasing terror, which is why many bombs went off well before the collapse.
    None of that windy exchange answered my question.

    What would the investigators think caused those non-collapse explosions?

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    That's a lie. One of the dogs was killed in the collapse.

    None of that windy exchange answered my question.

    What would the investigators think caused those non-collapse explosions?
    "However, on September 6, bomb-sniffing dogs are abruptly removed."

    http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/c...0601scaledback

    Some of the reported explosions were no doubt, merely the other tower collapsing. That does not explain the explosions in the sub-basements, in the South Tower, or before the towers collapsed.

    The debunkers basically just make stuff up when it comes to the bombs.

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    "However, on September 6, bomb-sniffing dogs are abruptly removed."

    http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/c...0601scaledback

    Against the backdrop of Lower Manhattan's altered skyline and the sounds of yelping K-9 unit dogs from around the nation, Port Authority Police yesterday remembered Sirius, a bomb-sniffing dog killed in the World Trade Center attack....

    Sirius, whose primary duty was checking trucks and unattended bags for bombs at the World Trade Center, died along with 37 members of the Port Authority Police Department when the towers collapsed on the morning of Sept. 11.


    http://www.portauthoritypolicememori...s_clipping.htm


    The other dogs were extra security due to called-in bomb threats, but thanks for letting us know security was heightened less than a week before 9/11.

    Some of the reported explosions were no doubt, merely the other tower collapsing. That does not explain the explosions in the sub-basements, in the South Tower, or before the towers collapsed.

    The debunkers basically just make stuff up when it comes to the bombs.
    Again, that was not my question.

    What do THE INVESTIGATORS think caused the explosions that occurred long before the collapse?

    But in response, you have made up more stuff than anyone in this thread,

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    Here's what it took to bring down a 33-floor steel framed building -- the largest ever brought down in a controlled implosion.

    CDI’s 12 person loading crew took twenty four days to place 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on columns on nine levels of the complex. Over 36,000 ft of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay elements were installed in CDI’s implosion initiation system, some to create the 36 primary implosion sequence and another 216 micro-delays to keep down the detonation overpressure from the 2,728 lb of explosives which would be detonated during the demolition.

    http://www.controlled-demolition.com...20030225133807


    Please tell me how this was accomplished in three separate buildings, all of them much taller than the Husdon building. Since you have an extensive engineering background, I expect you to give details.

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    CDI only had 12 people. This conspiracy involves 100 milllion people. Even if only one-quarter of them were involved in installing the explosives, it would take a mere one second to complete.

    Duh!

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    Against the backdrop of Lower Manhattan's altered skyline and the sounds of yelping K-9 unit dogs from around the nation, Port Authority Police yesterday remembered Sirius, a bomb-sniffing dog killed in the World Trade Center attack....

    Sirius, whose primary duty was checking trucks and unattended bags for bombs at the World Trade Center, died along with 37 members of the Port Authority Police Department when the towers collapsed on the morning of Sept. 11.


    http://www.portauthoritypolicememori...s_clipping.htm


    The other dogs were extra security due to called-in bomb threats, but thanks for letting us know security was heightened less than a week before 9/11.

    Again, that was not my question.

    What do THE INVESTIGATORS think caused the explosions that occurred long before the collapse?

    But in response, you have made up more stuff than anyone in this thread,
    I already answered your question.

    They claim that when the South tower fell, debris flew into the North tower, which some thought was an explosion. No doubt, this is true.

    They also claim that the jet fuel fell down the elevator shafts, causing explosions.

    Debunking the WTC1 Main Freight Fireball Myth
    http://www.studyof911.com/articles/BsB100106/

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    Here's what it took to bring down a 33-floor steel framed building -- the largest ever brought down in a controlled implosion.

    CDI’s 12 person loading crew took twenty four days to place 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on columns on nine levels of the complex. Over 36,000 ft of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay elements were installed in CDI’s implosion initiation system, some to create the 36 primary implosion sequence and another 216 micro-delays to keep down the detonation overpressure from the 2,728 lb of explosives which would be detonated during the demolition.

    http://www.controlled-demolition.com...20030225133807


    Please tell me how this was accomplished in three separate buildings, all of them much taller than the Husdon building. Since you have an extensive engineering background, I expect you to give details.
    If blowing a building up is so difficult, how did WTC 7 fall by itself?

    How do retreating armies blow up?

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    I already answered your question.

    They claim that when the South tower fell, debris flew into the North tower, which some thought was an explosion. No doubt, this is true.

    They also claim that the jet fuel fell down the elevator shafts, causing explosions.

    Debunking the WTC1 Main Freight Fireball Myth
    http://www.studyof911.com/articles/BsB100106/

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    CDI only had 12 people. This conspiracy involves 100 milllion people. Even if only one-quarter of them were involved in installing the explosives, it would take a mere one second to complete.

    Duh!
    9/11 wasn't a conspiracy.

    John Woo wrote a legal memo declaring it legal.

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    If blowing a building up is so difficult, how did WTC 7 fall by itself?

    How do retreating armies blow up?
    Well, there's an informed response.

    Okay, the answer to your first question -- even though it's been answered in this forum, ad naseum -- is that WTC 7 fell because it became structurally compromised, fatally so, after being struck with debris from a very big, and I mean really big, building.

    Now, question number 2. With explosive ordnance.

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    If blowing a building up is so difficult, how did WTC 7 fall by itself?

    How do retreating armies blow up?
    So you have basically given up?

    Weak . . . !

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    Well, there's an informed response.

    Okay, the answer to your first question -- even though it's been answered in this forum, ad naseum -- is that WTC 7 fell because it became structurally compromised, fatally so, after being struck with debris from a very big, and I mean really big, building.

    Now, question number 2. With explosive ordnance.
    not much debris hit WTC 7. It was 355 feet away, and had WTC 6 in between, blocking most of the particles.

    WTC 7 was blown up.

    Controlled demolition companies do not throw at buildings and hope they fall down 7 hours later.

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    not much debris hit WTC 7. It was 355 feet away, and had WTC 6 in between, blocking most of the particles.

    WTC 7 was blown up.

    Controlled demolition companies do not throw at buildings and hope they fall down 7 hours later.
    Why would WTC 7 be demolished by Bush?

    How did the the collapse of WTC 7 fit in the grand plan of Bush and Cheney?

    Who else is part of the conspiracy?

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    Why would WTC 7 be demolished by Bush?

    How did the the collapse of WTC 7 fit in the grand plan of Bush and Cheney?

    Who else is part of the conspiracy?
    Cheney and Rumsfeld planned 9/11, not Bush

    FL93 or FL23 were supposed to fly into WTC 7. So WTC 7 sitting there full of bombs and had to be eliminated.

    9/11 is not a conspiracy as you allege.

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    I already answered your question.
    You didn't answer the question at all.

    They claim that when the South tower fell, debris flew into the North tower, which some thought was an explosion. No doubt, this is true.
    This sentence makes no sense at all.

    They also claim that the jet fuel fell down the elevator shafts, causing explosions.
    So that's possible.

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    If blowing a building up is so difficult, how did WTC 7 fall by itself?
    Twice-compromised design and uncontrolled fire.

    How do retreating armies blow up?
    There was no retreating army here. Please explain your theory about the setup of explosives in all three towers in detail, using your extensive engineering knowledge.

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    This sentence makes no sense at all.

    So that's possible.
    Some people in the North tower, when it was struck by debris from the South tower collapsing, thought the impact was an explosion. If you have read p on 9/11, you'd know that many people in the North tower were totally unaware the South tower had collapsed.

    There was only one elevator shoft that went from the top third of the towers down to the bottom third. This does not explain many of the reported explosions. Some reported explosions in the subbasements before the airplanes hit. Also, the lobby had blast damage in areas far away from the elevator that went to the top, and there were no fires in the lobby.

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    Twice-compromised design and uncontrolled fire.

    There was no retreating army here. Please explain your theory about the setup of explosives in all three towers in detail, using your extensive engineering knowledge.
    WTC 7 was a standard controlled demolition, except that the charges were focused more on the core columns and military grade explosives were probably used.

    Controlled demolition companies try to minimize costs by placing explosives in the most strategic way possible so the fewest amount of explosives are
    used that will bring the building straight down.

    On 9/11, we can assume that cost was not an object. Therefore, the long careful prep work normally used by controlled demolition companies was not as nescessay. Military units in battle can rig controlled demolitions in just a couple hours if they have military grade explosives.

    As far as the twin towers, the explosives were placed next to the core columns next to the elevator shafts every third floor (columns 5, 6, 9, and 10). These were the powerful explosions that blew the heavy debris up to 500 feet horizontally.

    Cutter charges were placed every 15 to 20 floors on the corners of the perimeter columns (you can see the dripping metal in one corner of the south tower just before it falls).

    Cutter charges were also placed near the base as well. You can see white smoke rising from the base about 90 seconds before collapse.

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    Chumper;

    FYI

    Here is a 64 floor building being demolished. The talles is not 33 floors as you claim.

    Controlled Demolition
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0

    The twin towers were demolished in non-standard fashion, as they started the collapse from near, but not exactly, where the planes hit, in an attempt to disguise the controlled demolition.

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    Here is a 64 floor building being demolished.
    What says it's 64 floors?

    There are only 9 floors visible on the building next to it.

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    WTC 7 was a standard controlled demolition, except that the charges were focused more on the core columns and military grade explosives were probably used.

    Controlled demolition companies try to minimize costs by placing explosives in the most strategic way possible so the fewest amount of explosives are
    used that will bring the building straight down.

    On 9/11, we can assume that cost was not an object. Therefore, the long careful prep work normally used by controlled demolition companies was not as nescessay. Military units in battle can rig controlled demolitions in just a couple hours if they have military grade explosives.

    As far as the twin towers, the explosives were placed next to the core columns next to the elevator shafts every third floor (columns 5, 6, 9, and 10). These were the powerful explosions that blew the heavy debris up to 500 feet horizontally.

    Cutter charges were placed every 15 to 20 floors on the corners of the perimeter columns (you can see the dripping metal in one corner of the south tower just before it falls).

    Cutter charges were also placed near the base as well. You can see white smoke rising from the base about 90 seconds before collapse.
    So how did they get the several tons of explosives in each of the three buildings with full time explosive sniffing dogs in the garage and even more throughout the buildings less than a week before 9/11?

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    Chumper;

    FYI

    Here is a 64 floor building being demolished. The talles is not 33 floors as you claim.

    Controlled Demolition
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0

    The twin towers were demolished in non-standard fashion, as they started the collapse from near, but not exactly, where the planes hit, in an attempt to disguise the controlled demolition.
    I knew that looked familiar. Funny you showed a video with absolutely no information about the building.

    I found one that did have the information:

    http://video.aol.com/video-detail/se...ded/2019281281

    Incredible footage of the second tallest building ever imploded! LANDMARK TOW...ER (formerly Continental National Bank & The Texas Building) - 200 W. 7th St. - 1952; 1956/57 - Imploded March 18, 2006. At the time of demolition, it was the Second Tallest Building in the World to be Imploded by Controlled Demolition, Tallest Building in the State of Texas to Be Imploded, and the Tallest Building in the State of Texas to be Demolished. It was also the first time in Fort Worth's History that a former tallest building in the city was torn down. The Landmark Tower was 30 stories and 380 feet tall. At one time, it had the World Largest Digital Clock, Revolving Clock, and 4 Sided Sign. It also had one of the longest straight run fire escapes at 31 floors from the main roof to the ground. Thanks Simon.



    So, another lie from you. How many does that make in this past week alone?

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