I didn't say the team wouldn't be good. Of course they would. But they are not going to pay an extra 10 million on top of what they were already going to pay next season and head well over 80 million in salary to get there. Holt is not Buss or Cuban.
I"m sure about that!!!
I'm ABSOLUTELY not expecting any trade at all...
RC and Pop are too stubborn to admit they were wrong to Holt, the media, the fans...
They are also propably going to use the absence of trade as a motivation factor... ("see? We believe in you...blabla")
The same way they did a couple years ago...
My bad..thought it was your scenario...but what does bonner making 10 mil over 3 years in 07 have to do with us resigning the stiff next year? let alone give him a raise?
...you do know the Spurs' current payroll is over 80 million right? We'd only be gaining 2 million in this trade. Sure, 2 million over the cap is 4 million, but I don't think thats big enough for Holt to veto it. Our next year situation would have to be right around 80 mill again, and if we win a championship, and I think we easily would with that trade, persuading Holt to do it again won't be hard.
You are exaggerating the the financial drawback of this trade greatly.
Yeah, I just don't see it. This Philly idea is the only decent idea anyone came up with but its such a pipedream. We are screwed.
If we stand pat and if Splitter stays in Europe. Spurs' move more than likely would be to resign Bonner and Mason. It would give them more options with the MLE and LLE since resigning either wouldn't effect it.
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I know what I did...but the deal I proposed gives the Flip run team the personnel to operate regarding his style of coaching. Basically run around and make something happen.
I know I saw somewhere that the Wizards...though maybe wanting to firesale would not just take any offer if it meant that the player's could not contribute now.
Jefferson would excell in the Wizards offense thus making him more valuable as trade or even keeping for another season and his and Butler's contract are virtually a wash.
RMJ has been there and is the type of player Saunders likes to implement in his system. Mahinmi would get minutes and probably do well in that system. Especially in the east.
So it's not like the Wizards would be "selling out". They would be receiving players that would more than likely do well in that system. I'm not sure they could just unload salary without expecting to pay something for talent either. And one could argue then why not just keep Butler at a somewhat lower price for the same time? I guess that would all be contingent on just how much Butler (from and internal standpoint with the team) and relation with Flip will continue to go.
Anyway...I don't think my proposal is so outlandish that it wouldn't be worth trying or any worse than what they might have already been approached with by other teams.
Not really sure that would be the smartest move, fiscally? probably, but if we want to win, bonner, mason, fin, & rj need to go....today, tomorrow, next week...i dont care...if the result of standing pat is resigning mason & bonner, we are in for a world of .
If you're talking about Caron Butler...his defense is far superior than Jeffersons for about the same amount of point production.
Those are some very tangible numbers and are exactly what is needed by this current Spurs team.
If...a big if IMO...this deal could be done...I think the money spent would be worth the investment more so than what is being invested now.
Duncan's window is short. It could possibly be prolonged if this deal were to happen and definately make their chances of winning a le better than what they have now.
Winning a le...isn't that the goal?
That plus...the only real concern next season would be resigning Manu. The rest of the team would be pat.
You think Butler's point production would be the same in the Spurs' system? He'd be a 10-12 ppg guy on 42% shooting and even worse from three. His defense really isn't as good as Jefferson's, and it definitely won't be while he is learning the system. He has rebounding and thats about it. Nowhere near as athletic, selfish, and usually in the wrong place. Expect a loooot of contested jumpshots.
If you think Jefferson makes a lot of mistakes a game, wait till you see Butler.
I politely disagree. Butler doesn't play on a team that focusses on defense and happen to believe if on the Spurs would play better defense at the SF than Jefferson.
Butler has never really been on a good defensive team though, and hasn't done anything in the playoffs yet. At least Jefferson has.
I can see why someone would prefer Butler, but really, Caron Butler isn't the guy who is going to right the ship. Putting him as a trade target seems weird to me, since he isn't very good.
On the block: Marcus Camby, Clippers
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With the Feb. 18 trading deadline approaching, Sporting News’ Sean Deveney assesses the latest player rumors. Today’s player on the spot: Clippers big man Marcus Camby.
The facts: The Clippers have considered dealing a frontcourt player since the team drafted power forward Blake Griffin in June. But Griffin’s injury forced the team to reevaluate. After making a coaching change Thursday, though, the Clippers seem to recognize that their chance at a playoff spot is remote, making them more willing to move Camby.
Bait needed: Young talent, especially wing players who can shoot. The Clippers are among the worst 3-point shooting teams in the league and need players who can space the floor.
Welcome mat: Camby is an effective defender and rebounder on an expiring contract. Portland, trying to fill the gap left by injuries to centers Greg Oden and Joel Przybilla, has Camby as a possible target. Chicago big men Joakim Noah and Taj Gibson are struggling through plantar fasciitis, so Camby is a good fit for the Bulls, too. Playoff hopefuls looking for frontcourt depth—the Bobcats, Grizzlies and Thunder—have also been mentioned in connection with Camby.
Logic test: One thing Mike Dunleavy, now just the Clippers general manager and no longer the coach, said after the coaching change was that he wanted to focus on “the many personnel opportunities that lie before us, such as the trade market, the draft and the free agent process.” If the Clippers are to make a trade to help the team in the future, Camby is their best chip.
So they say: “It’s good to be wanted,” Camby told Sporting News this week. “That’s what I always say about that. I like it here; I like playing with these guys. But of course there are different things out there. We’ll just see what happens.”
Bottom line: The Clippers would have to pick up seven games and leap four teams in the standings to make the playoffs in the West—it’s a very, very long shot. Camby will be a free agent, and he is not coming back to L.A. next year. Look for the Clippers to ship him out for shooter with a reasonable contract.
what are you talking about butler isn't very good?! i would welcome with open arms ANY player who's nickname is "tough juice" right now. spurs d is anything but tough and caron would be that "kobe stopper" everybody talks about. i'd cry happy tears if the spurs could trade for him
Just pull the trigger and see what happens. We need to shake things up a bit...
I wonder how many transition buckets we'd give away with Camby on our team.
Kobe stopper? What.
Seriously guys, watch Wizards games from this year. Butler isn't good.
This is all you need to know about Caron Butler:
http://www.truthabou .net/2010/01/...html#more-4956
Not the guy that rights the ship...but a guy that has been projected as one of the top perimeter defenders in the league and if small ball is going to be used a definate advantage in rebounding.
That plus Haywood as another 7 footer to help relieve Duncan...I don't know how that would be weird to suggest. Maybe not plausible. But not weird.
Key phrase...this year. Who would be at their best on a Wizards team "this year"?
Didn't we say that about Jefferson and the Bucks?
Did you read the article? If you don't want to read that one, read #8 on the Dime. His teammates hate him. Wizards fans hate him. He is known for being incredibly selfish and dumb. Why would we want him.
Haywood, sure. I'd like to see Haywood as a Spur. But Butler is bad.
exactly
i watch the wizards games, it's called league pass. and yah, he's good. wizards style of play is like a not near as good suns 2 years ago. they're trying the run and gun scheme and don't really crash the boards. also since the wizards run fast offense, the tempo of their opponent speeds up as well therefore butler cannot defend like he should.
butler is a top 5 perimeter defender and his d would flourish under a slower pace team like the spurs. spurs would have to give up too much to get him though (i think) but you can always dream
Top 5 perimeter defender?
I mean what the guys. Come on.
All-star but not a Lebron type ...he is more poor man's Grant hill (healthy) than Lebron...once he wins les will be ona whole nothet level than iggy if he is not already ...
I didn't read anything in that to suggest Butler is not coachable. On the contrary...to me it read he is very open to suggestion and direction.
Lebron-type as in his body/athleticism. He has a lot of similarities in his game to Bron. No doubt Lebron is the better player of course.
have you noticed that you're the only one who thinks like you do? everybody else here KNOWS he's an awesome defensive specialist, solid shooter, and can put his head down and drive to the hoop.
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