112 Cruise missiles - What a mistake

[Wild Cobra]

WC would defend Adolf Hitler before giving Obama any credit for anything.

Only to the point that Hitler has done good for Germany and Obama has probably hurt America more than Hitler has.

[ChumpDumper]

Libya's Prime Minister Confirms Presence of Chemical Weapons

Published October 30, 2011

TRIPOLI, Libya – Libya's interim prime minister has confirmed the presence of chemical weapons in Libya and says foreign inspectors would arrive later this week to deal with the issue.

Prime Minister Mahmoud Jibril said Sunday that Libya has no interest in keeping such weapons.

Last week, Ian Martin, the top U.N. envoy to Libya, told the U.N. Security Council that undeclared chemical weapons sites have been located in Libya.

Jibril did not provide any details about the chemical weapons.

In August, Fox News interviewed Rep. Mike Rogers, R.-Mich., who said he saw a chemical weapon stockpile in the country during a 2004 trip. At the time, he said the U.S. was concerned about "thousands of pounds of very active mus gas."

He also said there is some sarin gas that is unaccounted for....

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/10...#ixzz1cOmzKWlB

I guess the thousands of pounds of mus and nerve gas were mellowing with age as well.

[Drachen]

Libya's Prime Minister Confirms Presence of Chemical Weapons

Published October 30, 2011

TRIPOLI, Libya – Libya's interim prime minister has confirmed the presence of chemical weapons in Libya and says foreign inspectors would arrive later this week to deal with the issue.

Prime Minister Mahmoud Jibril said Sunday that Libya has no interest in keeping such weapons.

Last week, Ian Martin, the top U.N. envoy to Libya, told the U.N. Security Council that undeclared chemical weapons sites have been located in Libya.

Jibril did not provide any details about the chemical weapons.

In August, Fox News interviewed Rep. Mike Rogers, R.-Mich., who said he saw a chemical weapon stockpile in the country during a 2004 trip. At the time, he said the U.S. was concerned about "thousands of pounds of very active mus gas."

He also said there is some sarin gas that is unaccounted for....

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/10...#ixzz1cOmzKWlB

I guess the thousands of pounds of mus and nerve gas were mellowing with age as well.

Yeah, but they must have been working out... The article says that they were very active.

[scott]

Hitler has done good for Germany

[ElNono]

Hitler has done good for Germany

[Winehole23]

...and Obama has hurt America worse than Hitler.

[LnGrrrR]

Only to the point that Hitler has done good for Germany and Obama has probably hurt America more than Hitler has.

"Only"

[LnGrrrR]

"That Antichrist guy, sure, he was bad, but he did bring about the whole 2nd coming, so in that case he's done much more than Obama has..."

"The thing you have to remember about Stalin is that he at least believed in a strong and active military..."

"What has Obama done for the world that, say, The French Terror hasnt?"


/future WC quotes

[Winehole23]

Read this line from Kori Schake, and reflect on how completely NATO’s purpose has been perverted:

The big risk is not whether the alliance can win whatever wars it chooses to fight. It can. The risk is that NATO will choose not to fight, that its members will withdraw into their own narrowly defined interests, close to home.

Yes, the worst thing that a defensive security alliance can do is to be focused on narrowly defined interests too close to home! It went without saying that Libya had nothing to do with NATO, but America, Britain, and France chose to fight there anyway, and NATO was dragged along for the ride so that the alliance did not have to split over the issue. NATO should obviously never be waging wars of choice. Its sole reason for being is to provide for collective defense against attack. If any alliance member starts a war, the others are in no way obliged by treaty to support them. Unfortunately, members of the alliance uninterested in starting unnecessary wars do feel political pressure to provide cover for the more aggressive members, so wars of choice that do not involve any allied security interests still receive the backing of the entire alliance. What Schake is describing is the “risk” that NATO will operate according to its original purpose as a defensive alliance. Unless one believes that NATO should be used as a platform for starting new wars, this is something to be hoped for rather than avoided.

http://www.theamericanconservative.c...ars-of-choice/

[RandomGuy]

Only to the point that Hitler has done good for Germany and Obama has probably hurt America more than Hitler has.

I think Fox "news" and talk radio has done more to hurt America than anything Obama has done.

That and the redistricting done that concentrates voters of one stripe or another into monochromatic districts that don't allow for moderates to be elected.

Lastly,

Hitler has done good for Germany

That may be the single most monumentally stupid thing you have ever said. I know you are trying to troll people you don't agree with, but... seriously?

(shakes head)

[Wild Cobra]

That may be the single most monumentally stupid thing you have ever said. I know you are trying to troll people you don't agree with, but... seriously?

(shakes head)

Before he became a madman, he did did some pretty fine leadership.

Take the point how you want. If he hadn't started a program of genocide, I'll bet history would see him far different.

[boutons_deux]

"If he hadn't started a program of genocide,"

If he hadn't invaded just about everywhere, Germany wouldn't have got its butt kicked from all sides.

goddam, you're one contrarian ideologue, so in love with your own bizarre takes.

[ChumpDumper]

Before he became a madman, he did did some pretty fine leadership.

Take the point how you want. If he hadn't started a program of genocide, I'll bet history would see him far different.

He was a madman ever since he got rejected from art school.

lol fine leadership

[RandomGuy]

Before he became a madman, he did did some pretty fine leadership.

Take the point how you want. If he hadn't started a program of genocide, I'll bet history would see him far different.

He was a crank, and a violent one. Even if he hadn't been responsible in one way or another for 20M-30M deaths (holocaust+ Russian casualties), he would have been reviled as a disgusting human being.

Read Mein Kampf and tell me otherwise.

[ElNono]

He was a fine leader!

[TheSullyMonster]

Well, he DID pull Germany out of a depression.

Of course, he also got his country split in half and both of those halves utterly destroyed beforehand.

But you know, whatever.

[Wild Cobra]

If he didn't do such a fine job making the Autobahns a reality, our tanks would have taken longer to get his soldiers!

[Winehole23]

“I fear this looks like a civil war”, one Libyan rebel commander from Misrata told the Associated Press, in the wake of a fierce firefight between rival militia factions using heavy weapons in broad daylight in Tripoli on Tuesday. Four fighters were reportedly killed and five wounded in the clash ignited by the attempts of a Misrata-based militia to free a comrade detained by the Tripoli Military Council on su ion of theft. But such clashes have become increasingly common in the Libyan capital over the past two months, as rival militias stake out turf in the power vacuum caused by the collapse of the Gaddafi regime. And while leaders on both sides of Tuesday’s clash were eventually able to broker a cease-fire, the deep fissures of tribe, region, ideology and sometimes even neighborhood that divide rival armed groups persist —and there’s no sign yet of the emergence of a central political authority with the military muscle to enforce its writ.

Read more: http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/201...#ixzz1iW1NIxAV

[Winehole23]

Libya's post-war transitional government confronted a political crisis Sunday after protesters ransacked its offices in Benghazi, highlighting growing nationwide unease with its leadership and triggering a shakeup in which the government's deputy chief resigned and several members were suspended.

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/art...#ixzz1kI6K18J8

[Wild Cobra]

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/art...#ixzz1kI6K18J8

So they replace one not so good regime with another. Who thought things would be better anyway? I'll still lay odds they will be worse off than they were.

[Winehole23]

BENGHAZI, Libya (AP) – Moammar Gadhafi loyalists have seized control of a Libyan town and raised the ousted regime's green flag, an official and commander said Tuesday.




The retaking of Bani Walid comes as Libya's new leaders have struggled to unify the oil-rich North African nation three months after Gadhafi was captured and killed.


Hundreds of well-equipped and highly trained remnants of Gadhafi's forces raised the green flag over buildings in the western city late Monday after hours of clashes, said Mubarak al-Fatamni, the head of Bani Walid local council.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/s...sts/52765322/1

[Winehole23]

Doctors Without Borders is halting its work in detention centers in the Libyan city of Misrata because detainees are "tortured and denied urgent medical care," the international aid agency said Thursday.

The agency, known by its French acronym MSF, said it has treated 115 people with torture-related wounds from interrogation sessions.


Some of the patients treated were tortured again after they were returned to detention centers, according to the agency.


"Some officials have sought to exploit and obstruct MSF's medical work," said Christopher Stokes, the agency's general director.


"Patients were brought to us for medical care between interrogation sessions, so that they would be fit for further interrogation. This is unacceptable. Our role is to provide medical care to war casualties and sick detainees, not to repeatedly treat the same patients between torture sessions."

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/26/wo...a-msf-torture/

[Wild Cobra]

But... But... But...

Things were going to be better after Qaddafi was out...

[Winehole23]

When the West invokes human rights concerns to justify an attack on a dictator whom it has long tolerated (and often even supported), that is rather compelling evidence that human rights is the packaging for the war, not the goal. The fact that it is not the goal means more than just another war sold deceitfully based on pretexts: it means that human rights concerns will not drive what happens after the invasion is completed.

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/26/the_...bya/singleton/

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That quote is long on innuendo and broad generalization and short on substance. I am not saying that the intervention was good or anything but i got absolutely nothing from that quote and it made me think the rest of the article was the same lack of substantive things that actually were facts so I did not bother to read it.