Must be something I unconsciously do.
Muslin, gabardine, Damask...
Well put, thats exactly as I see it.
such trickery.
You must fool everyone on every post.
I think consumerism has entered the way men and women relate to eachother. People don't appreciate what they have. Brains are wired so that we want a better version of what we have... I believe that's one factor. We want more when what we have is actually great.
There are ty fathers and mothers, but there's a reason they are ty fathers and mothers. I don't believe you're born a ty father or mother. I believe you suc b to cultural pressures which make you that way. Christianity can play a big part in preventing that.
wanting more has been around for pretty much forever.
Plenty of ty christian fathers and mothers.There are ty fathers and mothers, but there's a reason they are ty fathers and mothers. I don't believe you're born a ty father or mother. I believe you suc b to cultural pressures which make you that way. Christianity can play a big part in preventing that.
Plenty of great christian fathers and mothers that still end up with ty kids.
Plenty of non-religious people in the exact same boat.
tiness can be avoided as easy with or without the 'help' of christianity.
I can't think of one aspect of life that one can point to and say "thanks to Christianity, our society has moved forward."
I can think of many aspects of life that religion and Christianity have held society back.
Like what?
Art and sanitation are two off the top of my head.
For a while there, they certainly put a stop to advancing the sciences.
Galileo and heresy come to mind.
The net benefit of religion cannot be denied, but to overlook its glaring mistakes and weaknesses is entirely too much to condone.
Example: The Dark Age
Historians today, according to the link, a trying to research whether in fact the Church was as coercive as is commonly thought. So much so that saying the "Dark Age" would apparently offend any historian in the vicinity.
Seeing as there is a dearth of writing, literature and art from the time period, I will pull a Wild Cobra here and truly only believe the known writings of the time. Numerous writers of the time cite the weight applied by the Church in all walks of life.
That historians may clarify how much that weight was and to what degree was it applied is irrelevant to the core tenant that the weight did in fact exist and that it was used to suppress information and theory that ran contrary to religious doctrine as the Church deemed necessary.
Even much later, Newton wasnt immune to the pressures of possible/perceived religious backlash associated with his seminal work(s).
Whether you would like to lay blame at the feet of the Church itself, or the zeitgeist of the religiously influenced culture being told something contradictory and fearing it is, IMO, a rather unimportant detail in net effect.
But again, religion taken as whole, surely benefited European culture more than it hurt it. I would not argue that.
But the point will always stand that it never had to have a negative effect in any way whatsoever had power and wealth not corrupted the stewards of religion.
No man, no organization should want to or even attempt to hold power over death and by proxy, God. That this compulsion even exists, for me, immediately alerts my inner cynic to the end of these means.
From a strictly European perspective, sanitation was a Roman invention (which might have been completely lifted from the Greeks, but I do not know).
If youre saying the Church re-ins uted its importance, I would agree to some very small extent.
I believe (could be wrong) there are some passages about cleanliness in there that were ahead of their time.
as El Nono mentioned, science for one.
slavery: in an effort to defend their rights to have slaves, the Confederate Cons ution 'invoked the favor of God Almighty'. Some Southern preachers said slavery was God's punishment for their African paganism.
women: the Bible and other religions establish the man to have superiority over the woman instead of total equality and it is obviously something that has helped hinder women's rights movements
politically: yeah.
Art, literature, and music. Ok.
Sanitation? Pretty sure necessity, not religion, that pushed it forward.
A "Muslin" education? Are you saying he was a cotton picker? Your racism knows no limits.
Galileo lived in an Era where the Catholic Church wielded too much control. It was directly involved on state affairs. I don't want a Roman Inquisition being ins uted. The Catholic Church doesn't either. As I already stated, the Pope himself has accepted evolution as a reality. The Catholic church isn't stopping scientific inquiry.
The only thing I can think of which the Church opposes is the use of embryonic stem cells for research and other things. It interferes with the strong belief that life starts when egg and sperm fertilize.
Is religion holding it back now?
Favored us with a bit of nuance, a bit of critical forbearance, and some readerly complexity in that post. DarkReign continues to impress.
The beef that religion is down on women and warps politics seems to have legs, but what about slavery and science? Is religion still a big oppressor in those two areas?
Blake's point was that he could point out areas where 'aspects of life that religion and Christianity have held society back'.
I concur that currently the power they wield is fairly minor compared to the past, but that doesn't mean they've not commanded much higher power in the past and have not been shy to use it to the detriment of science (thus my mention of Galileo and his charge of heresy).
Contemporarily speaking, while it's true that stem cell research is one thing they oppose, and chicken politicians domestically would rather prioritize catering to a segment of the electorate than the advancement of that part of science, such restrictions don't exist on other countries, and thus the advancement can continue there. Another testament to the diminished influence the church has these days.
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