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Look at his collar, it says "free country". Lmao ironic as a mutha a.Mosquito bite
Lol dont condone the use of the word "cracker" but Stringer is back! Damn you've been making me sad lately. Welcome back
Look at his collar, it says "free country". Lmao ironic as a mutha a.Mosquito bite
I think it will come out that GZ's wounds are self-inflicted.
Sarcasm?
yep, with damage like that, I'd fear for my life too, and blast away.Mosquito bite
didn't realize just how minor they were.
thanks for the pictures.
can't blame him for that.
mommy buys his clothes.
- The location of the shooting is problematic for Zimmerman's defense. It's not an issue because of the distance from his truck, but the 50-60 feet the shooting was from the T intersection where Zimmerman claims it started. How did the shooting end up being that far from where Z alleges it started? Either it started at the T intersection and Zimmerman chased down Trayvon who was trying to get away in which case it certainly looks like a murder. OR it truly didn't start at the T intersection, in which case Zimmerman's claim he was on his way back to the car is an outright lie. If you watch Zimmerman's reenactment, he is uncomfortabe when trying to explain this. He points out a spot to the police officers which isn't even close to where the shot took place. It's as though he was trying to think of a rational explanation as to how the shooting occurred 60 feet away from the T intersection, but simply couldn't.
- Zimmerman was EMPHATIC on the 911 call that Trayvon was running. His exact words were " , he's running. , he ran". So for him to come on Hannity and claim he wasn't truly running is a pretty big deal. My guess is that his legal team has realized that it just doesn't pass the smell test that Trayvon's initial reaction from Zimmerman's pursuit/following of him both at the Clubhouse and at the cut through was to run away from him, but that seconds later he did a complete 180 mentally and decided "You know what, I know my instinct just 10 seconds ago was to run away from this weirdo, but now let me turn right around and find him and kick his ass". It's not credible.
- Zimmerman denied to the Sanford PD that he ever was following Trayvon Martin. He told the Sanford PD he got out of the car at the behest of the police dispatcher, which was an absolute lie. When he gave his initial statement, it probably didn't register to him that the 911 call was recorded and he thought he could get away with never telling the cops he was following TM. When he was asked why he lied about this in the "Serino interview #3" of the prosecution's evidence, he didn't have an explanation.
- Despite me disagreeing with most of you said, you do make an excellent point that when you look at the map of the neighborhood, TM could easily have made it home if he had kept running home. However, it doesn't seem like you realize that Trayvon's GF gave a statement that Trayvon stopped running once he turned onto Twin Trees Lane at the T intersection as he thought he had lost Zimmerman. And this is consistent with Zimmerman noting his reason for believing TM was su ious was that he was acting too leisurely (likely more engaged in his phone conversation with his girl than the rain) for his liking.
- Also, the exact same logic you apply for Travyon applies to Zimmerman. When you line up Zimmerman's 911 call with his police statements and reenactment, if he truly was walking back to his car after walking from the cut through to Retreat View Circle to allegedly look for a street number, he absolutely would have made it back and there never would have been a fight. I'm sure the prosecution is to prove this clearly in the trial to harm his claims. He's just not being honest about stopping his pursuit of TM because he knows it invalidates his self-defense claim.
- Speaking of Zimmerman's claim that he got out of the car to look for a street number, the hilarious thing about it is that in the reenactment there are clearly 100% visitble street numbers on the townhouses BEFORE the T-intersection! So if Zimmerman's intent when he got out of the car was truly to get a street number for the 911 dispatcher, he simply would have written it down and went back to his car and never even wound up at the T intersection. And as a neighborhood watchman who lived in his neighborhood for 7 years and routinely conducted patrols (enough to result in FIFTY 911 calls over a 4 year stretch) it is just not credible that he didn't know where to look for a street number.
- Anyone who watched that interview saw what a liar Zimmerman was. Hannity asks him 2 very clear questions... "Do you regret getting out of your car that night"... "Do you regret carrying a gun". Zimmerman clearly answers "No regrets, sir" to each question. Later, no doubt after some nudging from his attorney that the whole point of this interview was to win him brownie points with potential jurors and that saying you had "no regrets" about getting out of your car after it resulted in the death of a 17 year old wasn't going to do it, he comes back to Hannity and says "I was confused, I thought you meant did I have regrets about not getting legal representation from the getgo and not agreeing to the voice stress test, giving statements on my own, etc". What an utter lie. Hannity's question in no way could be misconstrued for asking whether the regrets were about anything pertaining to the legal process. They were unequivocally and unmistakeably about his CHOICES that night. The whole interview just showed what an absolute liar Zimmerman is. But then i guess the perjury had already proven that...
Last edited by bobbyjoe; 07-22-2012 at 01:53 AM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO5zzZZxnHw
Who thinks Zimmerman's voice samples sound similar to the voices on the 911 call?
You've obviously never watched two people struggle. Also, Martin got up and moved some distance before collapsing and dying -- probably towards home and away from the T-intersection where it started.
Not so much but, if Martin ran -- instead of "skipped," he would have been further away from the scene of the shooting that he ended up being -- unless, he came back.
The way he explained it in the Hannity interview is credible. I think, when Martin took off running or skipping or whatever, Zimmerman unbuckled his seat belt and opened the door with the intent of trying to keep Martin in sight. When asked if he was following, he said "yes," as in he was following the direction Martin went to see if he could spot him. Whey the police said he didn't need to do that, he continued the phone conversation and walked to the other street and was headed back. It all fits.
Still doesn't explain why he would hang out visiting with his GF for two minutes while Zimmerman walked around on the phone -- probably within HIS sight at some time.
We just disagree. There's nothing to indicate he was back at his vehicle when the call terminated.
I think he was already out of the vehicle and nearing the t-intersection before the whole "are-you-following-yes-i-am-you-don't-need-to-do-that-ok" exchange had time to evolve. We're not talking about great distances here. And, as Zimmerman indicated, he lived on the opposite street and, when asked for his address, didn't want to give it because it was dark and he didn't know if Martin was around and listening so, he continued on to Retreat View Circle to get the address of the first house on the street where he lived.
Yep, I think the attorney told him it sounded bad and he back-pedaled.
But, I also think he stated he had no regrets because, well, people have been threatening to kill him for the better part of three months now and, he's convinced himself that if he even plants the smallest amount of doubt that he would have done something differently -- the hounds will start barking again.
Who's ever thought they were about to lose their life and screamed like a girl for help?
Yoni, stop reaching. bobbyjoe posted facts which trump your hypotheticals.
clearly, he doesn't regret lying. lol
Can we agree that during the trial there is going to be some facts come out that will shed light on the sitch -either way-?
I don't mean all the biased b.s. that will come from both sides, i mean some facts that we currently do not know will surface.
Ala O.J. criminal and then civil.
the one thing we can all agree on is that george is a liar.
confirmed
undeniable
I don't even think they agree with you on that. None of his suppporters here alluded to that fact.The closest I read was wild cobra saying that it was human nature to lie and that we all lie but it was nothing specific towards him.
I agree there will be more facts that dig zimmermans grave even deeper. all the facts so far point to Trayvon forced to fight for his life.
it aint easy being a black in Amerikkka. we're seen as a threat while maniac caucasian mass murderers get to walk around without any batting an eye.
What was your stance before during and after the OJ criminal trial?
Vs the civil trial.
Or were you alive then?
I was alive but only a kid so I didn't understand all of the specifics.
looking back on it now as an adult its plain to see OJ did that and the only way he got off is because of his celebrity status. the civil trial is the courts way of saying "we know this mother er is guilty but we can't prove it, here goes some money for your troubles"
If you think Zimmerman was still on the phone with the Non-Emergency Dispatcher when he allegedly was walking to the street he lived (Retreat View Circle) to get a street number, can you please explain why he did not give that street number to the dispatcher?!
Better yet...If Zimmerman's true intent was to find a street number on Retreat View Circle to feed the cops, why would he ever need to walk back to his truck?! Why wouldn't he have just stayed there and met the cops there? After all, he and the dispatcher were arranging a location where he could meet the police.
When you look at the map of that neighborhood, it's an outright lie that Zimmerman needed to walk to Retreat View Circle to get an address. His truck was parked near the cut-through and that cut-through abuts the FRONT of the Townhouses on Twin Trees lane. , he could have seen the street number from his truck!!!! Who walks to the back of a townhouse to get an address instead of going to the front of the townhouse?
Who knows? Have you read the transcript or listened to the call? It was 4:07 minutes. Perhaps Zimmerman was sticking around the area of the T-Intersection hoping to catch a glimpse of Martin so he could direct police to his location.
That still doesn't explain why Martin was anywhere near the T-Intersection at the end of Zimmerman's phone call.
He couldn't see the Retreat View Circle addresses from Twin Trees Lane. The top of the T went from Twin Trees to Retreat View. The "T's" upright ran between the town homes.
I guess I don't see your point. I think Zimmerman spent the two minutes between Twin Trees and Retreat View, on the top of the "T". The timeline fits... particularly if he was walking slow in hopes of spotting Martin again. What's not explained is why Martin would be anywhere near there after Zimmerman's 4 minute phone call and a full 2 minutes after Zimmerman said he took off.
he lied about income. It hasn't been confirmed that he has lied about details in this case, has he?
Being caught in a lie like that only matters in the court of public opinion.
That's the point. It makes absolutely no sense that Zimmerman would want to give them an address on Retreat View instead of an address for one of the townhouses on Twin Trees lane, which was much closer to his car and also was the street Trayvon he had observed Martin walking along.
I did listen to the call and he never mentioned any street number on Retreat View Circle to the dispatcher. If that was his objective, then it's not credible he walked all the way there and didn't mention the street number to the dispatcher, who all the while was asking GZ where he wanted to meet the cops. The dispatcher clearly asked "What address are you parked in front of?" That address would have been Twin Trees lane, not Retreat View Circle.
On the call, the dispatcher and Zimmerman agree for the cops to meet at the mailboxes. He then immediately says "Actually can you have them call me and I'll them where I'm at".
Both that statement and the inexplicable holes in his story are consistent with a guy who wanted to continue his pursuit of a man he referred to even after shooting him as "The suspect".
It's a criminal offense. It's called perjury.
This is the way our Court system works. If you lie under oath, it doesn't only matter in the court of public opinion. It matters in the Court of Law.
If one would lie to save a few bucks of bail money, why wouldn't they lie to keep their butt out of jail for 25 to 30 years? Zimmerman also failed to turn in his passport. The Judge thought his plan was to get away with other's people money and flee the Country. Not the prosecutor, not the NAACP, not the Black Panthers... The Judge presiding over the case.
Also, there is lots of physical evidence that is inconsistent with Zimmerman's statements. That's called lying.
Self-defense absolutely hinges on credibility. If jurors see you as a liar, you're probably going to get hung, especially when the guy you killed wasn't in the middle of a crime and was simply walking home.
Are you serious?
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