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    If we go through this year and next draft getting Zero legit starters next to Wemby you can kiss away any chance of keeping Wemby or ever getting close to a Championship. And Yes only way to massively and cheaply upgrade our talent is through the draft and free agency can get us a good bench players

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    If we go through this year and next draft getting Zero legit starters next to Wemby you can kiss away any chance of keeping Wemby or ever getting close to a Championship. And Yes only way to massively and cheaply upgrade our talent is through the draft and free agency can get us a good bench players
    I believe more than ever Luka is leaving Dallas this summer... who can offer better than the spurs, specially with another lottery pick next draft? If Luka says he only wants to come here, he's here... What better team than SA for Luka with a budding superstar in Wemby still leaving him enough room to spend the next few years as top dog before Wemby becomes da man with Doncic as a facilitator for a few more les?

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    If we go through this year and next draft getting Zero legit starters next to Wemby you can kiss away any chance of keeping Wemby or ever getting close to a Championship. And Yes only way to massively and cheaply upgrade our talent is through the draft and free agency can get us a good bench players
    we may have to fire wright...Wemby is showing he is the real deal.We are gonna have to accelerate this rebuild and get the
    ball moving to contend.Giving collins that contract ext and wasting cap space for somebody who doesnt fit next to wemby already a mistake
    on wright part.Lets see if wright and the spurs scouts draft the best player to partner up with wemby this summer to improve
    this team future.

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    How many picks do we even want?
    In the upcoming 4 drafts, Spurs have 7 (8 if Toronto conveys) FRPs.

    We currently have 5 useful players with value on the roster: Wemby, Devin, Keldon, Jeremy and Tre.
    Obiously, other than Wemby, those 4 could get traded, but if they do, Spurs would surely be getting some useful players back. Or picks.

    Then there are Wesley, Champagnie, Barlow and Bassey who could become regular bench pieces.
    Even if they don't, Spurs have a minimum of rotation players for the future and 7 picks.
    Meaning that 5 spots are open. And you obviously don't want to fill your entire roster with rookies.

    Then there's cap space for free agents. Maybe not stars, but good role players.

    TL;DR point being that we kind of need to stop obsessing with draft picks, we've got plenty.
    This year we'll get another top5 pick, next year we have three guaranteed FRPs, even without Raptors. Meaning that it should be easy to trade into top5 if we really want to.
    I'd say that the next year should be the last draft for top10 picks and from summer 2025 we need to focus on actually getting players that are already good because we don't want to spend Wemby's entire rookie contract in the lottery.

    And there's the boatload of second rounders, which can easily be used to trade up into late first round.
    My point was YOU DON’T WANT 5 FRPs IN THE SAME DRAFT. It’s possible for the CHA,CHI, and TOR picks to all convey in 2025, along with the guaranteed ATL, and our own pick. Better if we get TOR pick this year.

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    I love how people hold Brian Wright individually accountable for the roster moves. All of these decsisions are made collaboratively with Pop, RC, etc.

    You really think BW just does whatever he wants and Pop just deals with it?

    You can tell who has never worked in an organization with any kind of authority.

    This is not the same as when your shift manager yells at you for burning the fries at your Whatburger gig.

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    I believe more than ever Luka is leaving Dallas this summer... who can offer better than the spurs, specially with another lottery pick next draft? If Luka says he only wants to come here, he's here... What better team than SA for Luka with a budding superstar in Wemby still leaving him enough room to spend the next few years as top dog before Wemby becomes da man with Doncic as a facilitator for a few more les?
    What reason do you have to believe Luka is leaving Dallas this summer? I don't follow the Mavs so I truly wouldn't know. Looks like they are treading in Play-In waters again, but Luka is still shining bright.

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    Luka is a tremendous talent but he needs to grow the F up. I’ve gotten to the point of loathing with him given his antics with the refs, and say nothing of the boring heliocentric stuffs

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    If we go through this year and next draft getting Zero legit starters next to Wemby you can kiss away any chance of keeping Wemby or ever getting close to a Championship. And Yes only way to massively and cheaply upgrade our talent is through the draft and free agency can get us a good bench players
    The '24 free agency class is worthless, only Quickley (RFA) could be a viable target UIMO. But in '25 there could be several worthwhile targetrs: Donovan Mitc (PO), Lauri Markkanen (UFA), Derrick White (UFA). IMO landing 1 of those 3 should be the goal.
    I believe more than ever Luka is leaving Dallas this summer... who can offer better than the spurs, specially with another lottery pick next draft? If Luka says he only wants to come here, he's here... What better team than SA for Luka with a budding superstar in Wemby still leaving him enough room to spend the next few years as top dog before Wemby becomes da man with Doncic as a facilitator for a few more les?
    I don't think Luka is leaving just yet, but Donovan Mitc might be the next best thing, he's got a player option in '25 and it seems he'll become a free agent.

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    My point was YOU DON’T WANT 5 FRPs IN THE SAME DRAFT. It’s possible for the CHA,CHI, and TOR picks to all convey in 2025, along with the guaranteed ATL, and our own pick. Better if we get TOR pick this year.
    With Charlotte going for a full rebuild (they're trying to move Miles Bridges and Hayward), it seems very unlikely that pick will ever convey as a first. Most likely scenario in '25 is 2/3 picks with 4 being the absolute most, assuming you can roster 2 rookies (fair assumption since by then the class of '22 should have sorted itself out) I don't think it'll be a problem to find a taker for one or two even at the draft. Or use them in a trade. It's not a scenario anyone should lose sleep over.

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    The '24 free agency class is worthless, only Quickley (RFA) could be a viable target UIMO. But in '25 there could be several worthwhile targetrs: Donovan Mitc (PO), Lauri Markkanen (UFA), Derrick White (UFA). IMO landing 1 of those 3 should be the goal.

    I don't think Luka is leaving just yeat, but Donovan Mitc might be the next best thing, he's got a player option in '25 and it seems he'll become a free agent.
    sure it might worthless in drafting a star,But good roleplayers are still much needed on this team.Miami drafted
    jaime jaquez late for them this year...And hes a damn good role player already for them

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    The '24 free agency class is worthless, only Quickley (RFA) could be a viable target UIMO. But in '25 there could be several worthwhile targetrs: Donovan Mitc (PO), Lauri Markkanen (UFA), Derrick White (UFA). IMO landing 1 of those 3 should be the goal.
    Just looking at 2024 UFA list, I'd go for Buddy Hield if we could get him for a contract similar to what Doug has.
    He's 31, but he doesn't have that much mileage on him and he never got injured.
    Would be a perfect 6th man for a couple of seasons, imo.

    Something in the range of 50/3 would be fine, especially if we manage to move Collins.

    Other than that, I don't see anyone that would be a good fit and worth the money.

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    sure it might worthless in drafting a star,But good roleplayers are still much needed on this team.
    Besides, you don't really need to draft stars, if you have a bunch of good players, that's the basis for a good trade package. For instance, you could package together Keldon Johnson, Tre Jones, Sochan, Zach Collins (as expiring the other season) + a few picks for the next disgruntled star which will inevitably ask out. You just have to be ready and loaded with assets when that happens.

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    What reason do you have to believe Luka is leaving Dallas this summer? I don't follow the Mavs so I truly wouldn't know. Looks like they are treading in Play-In waters again, but Luka is still shining bright.
    They're barely more than a 0.500 team after the Kyrie trade and I've seen enough to know they're not gonna suddenly make leaps and bounds with that pairing. And They have little to no leeway to upgrade in the near future expect for trading... Kyrie. Bright spot is Lively (this year's rookie) seems like a very solod pick.

    Luka has a player option for next season, how many more years of his prime will he be OK dropping 73 and bananas for a first or second round exit, if Dallas actually make the POs that Luka accepted to drop last year only to be in the same situation this year? Lively is no MJ, and Luka is an all time great stuck on the treadmill with no real perspective at sniffing a ring in the near future (who put their house on the Mavs this year? Not even Dallas fans). I dont believe he's gonna wait 3 or 4 years Dallas develop whatever other solid rookies they could draft....

    but ofc, I could be wrong.
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    Pop will probably tell Wright to sign DeRozan and think we'll be a contender with him chucking up midrange shots I could totally see that happening, although I don't think he likes to play here

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    I believe more than ever Luka is leaving Dallas this summer... who can offer better than the spurs, specially with another lottery pick next draft? If Luka says he only wants to come here, he's here... What better team than SA for Luka with a budding superstar in Wemby still leaving him enough room to spend the next few years as top dog before Wemby becomes da man with Doncic as a facilitator for a few more les?
    What are the Spurs going to offer other then a few lottery picks?

    Doncic is signed thru 25-26

    Dallas would want a ransom i would assume.

    Now if Doncic pulls modern day NBA diva pouting and forces a trade in public, i don't want him.

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    Luka has a player option for next season,
    Player option is not until before the 2026-27 season.
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    What are the Spurs going to offer other then a few lottery picks?

    Doncic is signed thru 25-26

    Dallas would want a ransom i would assume.

    Now if Doncic pulls modern day NBA diva pouting and forces a trade in public, i don't want him.
    I can't blame superstars for deciding where they want to play in their prime, as long as they're direct and honest with it (not pulling a Nephew)... It's their career and teams defend their interest, players theirs. And players have understood they ultimately have the power, you don't want a disgruntled supermaxed star on your roster, wherever you're the one trading or trading for. If Luka wants to leave, that would be for a team he feels he has a shot at ringing (or several) for the rest of his prime.

    This season is a bit deceptive for different reasons (I mean Sochan at PG!?) but spurs actually have several, nice young pieces + a boatload of picks, which is exactly what Dallas would want, also probably trading Kyrie for a full rebuild. Now I just checked and believed Luka had a player option earlier than 26-27, which changes a bit the power he could have, but not that much. Again, he's the one on the floor and Mavs wouldn't want an unhappy maxed out Luka for the next 2 years.

    Anyway, we can be sure that there will be speculations if Mavs don't make the POs for the secnd year in a row or are an early exit. They really have little flexibility for upgrade and their team as such is really not contending. They went all in on Flat Earther and it's probably gonna fail.

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    If Luka wants out this summer, then I sure hope we throw an amazing offer out there. I'm not interested in waiting several years for the possibility that Luka might want out though. We can carry on with our own business, and if Luka wants out in 2026 we can explore it then.

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    Player option is not until before the 2026-27 season.
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    Basically that means they have him for 2 more seasons beyond this one. That's not a lot, and should make Dallas listen to reasonable offers if he wants out a year from now. Other teams with enough assets that could be willing to go all out for him are Utah and New York. But the Spurs could definitely put together a compe ive package.

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    I can't see the Mavericks ever being willing to trade Doncic to the Spurs (and probably in conference period) and an ego as massive as his will probably not only prefer the usual glamor markets, but a team where he can be the clear best player too.

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    I can't see the Mavericks ever being willing to trade Doncic to the Spurs (and probably in conference period) and an ego as massive as his will probably not only prefer the usual glamor markets, but a team where he can be the clear best player too.
    yup...superstars are rarely traded to their biggest rivals

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    Basically that means they have him for 2 more seasons beyond this one. That's not a lot, and should make Dallas listen to reasonable offers if he wants out a year from now. Other teams with enough assets that could be willing to go all out for him are Utah and New York. But the Spurs could definitely put together a compe ive package.
    I'd like to see a list of superstars who were traded 2 1/2 years before their contract was up. We agree that is hardly ever.
    2 years.
    For that matter a year and a half.

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    I can't blame superstars for deciding where they want to play in their prime, as long as they're direct and honest with it (not pulling a Nephew)... .
    It would and will be interesting to follow the ones who forced their way out.
    Kyrie disaster twice.
    Anthony Davis got the one ref aided Covid le.
    Durbetta with the ABC marketing les in his purse, one Championship and then the Zaza *Championship. But those were after he became FA. Still the most beta move in sports history but lets keep on subject of forcing. Since the Bay Area he forced his way out of Brooklyn and has blown balls as far as Championship pursuit.

    James Harden what a freakin joke.
    Kawhi Leonard can always say he the Toronto le.
    Ben Simmons massive gotry.
    Bradley Bean with the Suns meh whatever. Guess they could still do aight.
    Westchuck LOL. Altho good to see him finally accpeting his role.

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    Dallas did pretty well last offseason even if Grant Williams hasn't been playing great for them. Lively was a masterstroke. The Irving trade looks to be working so far and they didn't give up too much during the season.

    Now what? They don't have a draft pick this year. They owe a first in 2029. If I read this right, as soon as this draft is over, they can then use 2025 and 2027 to trade for a bigger piece. Their cap isn't horrible but it isn't exactly flexible.

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    Pop will probably tell Wright to sign DeRozan and think we'll be a contender with him chucking up midrange shots I could totally see that happening, although I don't think he likes to play here
    agree, and if it was for a low price and only 2 years it wouldn't be bad, he continues to play at a reasonable level and would no longer have the responsibility of being "the man"...could help Wemby carry this team offensively, although I also believe he would not want to return.

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