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    I don’t really see why we would want Bryant to be more than a 3&D player for the first 4 years of his career. Having a great wing defender who can make 3s is necessary for any championship team. I can’t really think of a team that won a championship who didn’t have one of those players.

    We have 4 high usage players on the team. For the team to really gel we need Bryant to just be the catch and shoot, high energy defensive player mold than a guy beating people off the dribble and creating shots for himself. We need a 2012 Kawhi Leonard on this team. Maybe after his rookie contract is nearly up and he’s 23, we can add more to his plate. But really he doesn’t need it for him to be successful for our team.

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    And if Sochan played for any of those teams that would be nice for him. Having a 4 out of 5 three point threats on the floor certainly makes Hartenstein playable in that line up. In Sochans starting line up we have one legitimate 3 point shooter in the starting line up.

    For the Spurs he is an unstartable player (well I mean technically we have started Bryn Foreskin so I should be more specific) for the Spurs to have a shot at making the playoffs and having a winning record for the first time in 7 years then he is an unstartable player on the team.
    OKC doesn't have that many 3pts threats in their starting line up

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    I don’t really see why we would want Bryant to be more than a 3&D player for the first 4 years of his career. Having a great wing defender who can make 3s is necessary for any championship team. I can’t really think of a team that won a championship who didn’t have one of those players.

    We have 4 high usage players on the team. For the team to really gel we need Bryant to just be the catch and shoot, high energy defensive player mold than a guy beating people off the dribble and creating shots for himself. We need a 2012 Kawhi Leonard on this team. Maybe after his rookie contract is nearly up and he’s 23, we can add more to his plate. But really he doesn’t need it for him to be successful for our team.
    i agree in spirit, but what stops the malaki's of the world from being that guy? Or anyone slightly taller for that matter.. why not cidy then? If 3 point shooting and length is all you're asking, that's a very easy to find player.

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    OKC doesn't have that many 3pts threats in their starting line up
    SGA
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    4 players who are all 3 point threats.

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    i agree in spirit, but what stops the malaki's of the world from being that guy? Or anyone slightly taller for that matter.. why not cidy then? If 3 point shooting and length is all you're asking, that's a very easy to find player.
    If it’s so easy to find, why haven’t we found it since Kawhi left? Sidy can’t shoot worth . And Malaki wasn’t the projected defender Carter Bryant is and really isn’t the athlete or had the measurables Bryant had.

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    No, they don't. You say I'm fixating on Sochan, but I gave you Ben Wallace as an example of a hall of famer that wouldn't be a primary option in summer league either.

    You can agree or disagree, but saying I'm fixating on "X" or "Z" player is re ed. I'm clearly telling to you that certain NBA players don't have the skillset to put up big scoring numbers in Summer League or the G-league, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are bad, they are just not scorers. Is that clear to you?

    I swear to God if you respond again with the " you are fixated on Sochan " , I'm gonna think you are clinically re ed.
    Your example doesn’t disprove his theory. Ben Wallace never scored in double digits, so he would easily slide into the 150 players that he said wouldn’t dominate SL scoring. He would probably even be bottom 50 of the current roughly 450 nba players.

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    Michael Cooper of the Lakers, to whom I compare Carter Bryant, averaged 8.9 points for his career, played great defense, won five rings and is in the Basketball Hall of Fame.

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    No, they don't. You say I'm fixating on Sochan, but I gave you Ben Wallace as an example of a hall of famer that wouldn't be a primary option in summer league either.

    You can agree or disagree, but saying I'm fixating on "X" or "Z" player is re ed. I'm clearly telling to you that certain NBA players don't have the skillset to put up big scoring numbers in Summer League or the G-league, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are bad, they are just not scorers. Is that clear to you?

    I swear to God if you respond again with the " you are fixated on Sochan " , I'm gonna think you are clinically re ed.
    NBA players are better than summer league players. Especially Hall of fame players. It would be the same as when the bench players go to free runs and drop a 50 piece. You don't seem to understand the gap in skill.

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    I think you both should get a room and discuss your Gorgonites Team takes on private.
    My bad.

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    I don’t really see why we would want Bryant to be more than a 3&D player for the first 4 years of his career. Having a great wing defender who can make 3s is necessary for any championship team. I can’t really think of a team that won a championship who didn’t have one of those players.

    We have 4 high usage players on the team. For the team to really gel we need Bryant to just be the catch and shoot, high energy defensive player mold than a guy beating people off the dribble and creating shots for himself. We need a 2012 Kawhi Leonard on this team. Maybe after his rookie contract is nearly up and he’s 23, we can add more to his plate. But really he doesn’t need it for him to be successful for our team.
    bold claim these days tbh

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    bold claim these days tbh
    Just has to hit 29 open ones to pass our other guy next season. But I was referring to the people who would be disappointed if all Carter became was a 3&D guy. Dort is invaluable to OKC as one of those guys. Imagine if Carter becomes Dort level, would these same people truly be “disappointed” in that with our 14th pick

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    SGA
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    4 players who are all 3 point threats.
    They’re clearly not elite, Vassell is as good as them, Barnes is better, Fox could be as good as SGA, and Wemby is as good as Holmgren.

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    They’re clearly not elite, Vassell is as good as them, Barnes is better, Fox could be as good as SGA, and Wemby is as good as Holmgren.
    I uh... huh?

    Fox as good as the MVP? SGA is clearly not elite?
    Vassell is as good as which?
    Barnes is better than who and how?
    Wemby is only as good as Holmgren?

    What is happening where you are?

    I'm calling an Intervention!


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    I uh... huh?

    Fox as good as the MVP? SGA is clearly not elite?
    Vassell is as good as which?
    Barnes is better than who and how?
    Wemby is only as good as Holmgren?

    What is happening where you are?

    I'm calling an Intervention!

    think he meant shooting triples

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    think he meant shooting triples
    Gotcha. Thanks.

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    If it’s so easy to find, why haven’t we found it since Kawhi left? Sidy can’t shoot worth . And Malaki wasn’t the projected defender Carter Bryant is and really isn’t the athlete or had the measurables Bryant had.
    well the assumption is that you'd be spending 3 years training him to become a decent 3point shooter from only the corner. Since right now he's about 3 years away from being as good of a shooter as rookie sochan, I think my question is appropriate. Malaki had great measurables for the position

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    They’re clearly not elite, Vassell is as good as them, Barnes is better, Fox could be as good as SGA, and Wemby is as good as Holmgren.

    Uhhh what?? Average 3pt % in 2025 was 36%

    SGA: 37.5% - above average
    Jdub: 36.5% - slightly above average
    Dort: 41.2% - elite
    Chet: 37.9% - above average

    Compared to our guys:

    Fox: 27.4% - bad
    Wemby: 35.2% - below average
    Vassell: 36.8% - slightly above average
    Barnes: 43.3% - elite
    Sochan: 30.8% - bad
    Castle: 28.5% - bad

    (added Sochan/Castle since we're not entirely certain what the SL will look like in 2026)

    Spurs have nowhere near the shooting that OKC has in their starting lineup. Fox could be as good as SGA? Based on what? Barnes is the only good shooter and his defense/rebounding are trash unlike OKC's players. Vassell, for all the talk of him being a good shooter, is barely above average at it. OKC is stacked with three point threats. The only player in their SL that isnt a threat is Hartenstein

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    IMO at best CB sees time with the A team the second half of the season. My money would be on a few spot appearances because of injuries. So far in summer league he is shooting 21.4% and 18.5% from 3--ouch! He looks decent against summer league compe ion on defense and you can see the potential for sure, but he would foul out in 10 minutes trying to guard NBA level talent. He needs lots of development. Good thing is he's only 19 years old. I don't think we will see a positive contribution from him until the second half of next season. Hopefully he makes the big 3rd year jump so often discussed on this forum. That's the best case scenario here that has any significant degree of probability.

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    I realize it's par for the course with most rookies and there's plenty to be encouraged about with him obviously, but can this team ever draft someone and have them immediately shoot as well or better than advertised?

    Virtually every time they've got to be an abject failure in this regard from the jump.

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    Carter's 69% FT at college probably got overlooked because he was making 3s generally well. A good shooter ideally should have a better FT %. I suppose the warning sign was there.

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    Carter's 69% FT at college probably got overlooked because he was making 3s generally well. A good shooter ideally should have a better FT %. I suppose the warning sign was there.
    That's the only stat (out of all these comments) that somewhat disillusions me.

    But I still like the kid.

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    Bryant shot 59 free throws in 37 games. I'm not sure that's a ton to go by. (He shot 105 three pointers.)

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    Right now, what separates Carter from 1st year Sochan? Is he better defensively already (from just this short SL view)?

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    Carter's 69% FT at college probably got overlooked because he was making 3s generally well. A good shooter ideally should have a better FT %. I suppose the warning sign was there.
    That's the only stat (out of all these comments) that somewhat disillusions me.

    But I still like the kid.
    He shot 1.6.FTs per game,and 2.8 three pointers. I think I’m going to weight the 3 point percentage more highly.

    He made 38/59 FTs. If he makes just 6 more all year, he’s a. 75% guy and you’re not worried about it at all.

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    He shot 1.6.FTs per game,and 2.8 three pointers. I think I’m going to weight the 3 point percentage more highly.

    He made 38/59 FTs. If he makes just 6 more all year, he’s a. 75% guy and you’re not worried about it at all.
    what if he just made 3 less?

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