Stoudemire calls Spurs 'dirty' (Bruce & Manu)

[FromWayDowntown]

Well that poses a problem too. If he just raised it through the league, it would eventually go through the media anyways and all this mumbo jumbo would still go on. He just saved time by going through the media, not to mention there were questions on why he landed so awkwardly during the incident. So technically he wasn't the one who really instigated it.

Not true. If the league takes no action -- and it didn't in this case -- I don't think there would have been any significant media play. At that, Amare always had the choice to say "No comment." He didn't. And I think it's interesting that former players in the media think he was wrong for having gone to the media.

[SirChaz]

Are Suns fans trying to convince themselves that their team holds the upper-hand in this series at this point?

I realize that a lot of things can change in either direction over this weekend, but looking at the situation objectively, I don't know that the Spurs have any reason to feel desperation at this point. They weren't compe ive in Game 2, but that's a far cry from concluding that they have no chance to be compe ive in the remainder of the series and are somehow looking for any minor advantage that they can get based on a desperation to stay in the series.

If one were to buy all of the "Bowen is always dirty" arguments, I guess one would have to conclude that he's been playing with desperation during the handful of regular season games that are always raised in attempting to prove the reputation. I'm not sure that Bowen gets that up or down about any regular season games at this point. If anything, the historical "proof" would seem to cut against this asinine "desperation" argument.

The Series is tied and I expect it will be again after game 4.


I never said desperation in the series. I was talking about game 2.

It is the only way most teams can beat the Suns. Slow it down, junk up the game, milk the clock, and hold, grab, and trip as much as you can and hope the refs don't call it. It is exactly how the Jazz had so much success against them.

Now the Spurs have been a different animal but I expect that to change if the Suns start to pull away as they did in game 2.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

But the more shocking thing is that NOBODY was able to show a picture of Amare actually being kicked.
The MOST shocking thing though, is Stoudemire didn't even know he was kicked until he saw it on tape. I have never had that surgery before, but I didn't know that they have the sever the nerves to make it work.

Amare is clearly kicked. You can see the youtube video, and it offers undeniable proof that he was hit.

And how's the reading comprehension working out for you? Amare new that he was kicked, but did not know whether or not it was unintentional until he saw the replay.

[Scumbag]

Tell it to the league, leave it out of the media.

The first rule of Fight Club err.. Spurs basketball, is do not talk about Fight Clu... Spurs basketball.

[sunsbum]

i know when im trying to stop on a dime i always sweep kick one of my feet out.

that fact that its right there on video in front of your faces and you still deny it is beyond ridiculous.

[ambchang]

There was clearly contact. You can see when Bowen's foot makes contact with Amare's leg, and you can see that it hurt him in the awkward way that Amare goes up and the way he lands.

Clearly? Where?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sc4yz__akIU
Watch it again, it clearly showed that Bowen's foot landed to the left side of Amare's right foot.
I find it incredible how people can actually claim bowen can look at, aim, and successfully deliver a kick to target as small as a person's achilles heel, in a timespan that spans only 2 frames in super slow motion, which, if correct in most cases, is about 2/31 of a second.

[Scumbag]

i know when im trying to stop on a dime i always sweep kick one of my feet out.

that fact that its right there on video in front of your faces and you still deny it is beyond ridiculous.

"Come on now! I know Bowen Personally and he told me that he was stepping on a cricket he noticed on the floor NEXT to amare... It was clearly not a kick!"

[ambchang]

Coward my ass. If Bowen and Ginobili's play style is "gamesmanship", then so is this.

It's a shot across the bow, nothing more. I'd argue that 22 pages of pissing and moaning about it is just as "cowardly".

Defamation? Gimme a break.

I seriously doubt that Bowen and Ginobili are as worried about their own reps as you guys are.

Hey, given that you are part of this 22 pages of pissing and moaning, you just admitted at being a coward yourself.
Which compared to the ones who disappeared after it became more and more obvious Amare is full of , is the least cowardly thing that was done.

[Scumbag]

Watch it again, it clearly showed that Bowen's foot landed to the left side of Amare's right foot.
I find it incredible how people can actually claim bowen can look at, aim, and successfully deliver a kick to target as small as a person's achilles heel, in a timespan that spans only 2 frames in super slow motion, which, if correct in most cases, is about 2/31 of a second.

I find your mind amazing...

[Oh, Gee!!]

Bowen probably did it, but it's cool by me

[seattletim]

every team has a dirty team moment....the suns have raja bell...he gave kobe the rock bottom last year!!!!

you sound like an idiot.

and spurs don't have dirty 'moments', they have dirty PLAYERS. big difference.

[seattletim]

Bowen probably did it, but it's cool by me

typical spurs fan and bush voter.

[sunsbum]

"Come on now! I know Bowen Personally and he told me that he was stepping on a cricket he noticed on the floor NEXT to amare... It was clearly not a kick!"

[mardigan]

you sound like an idiot.

and spurs don't have dirty 'moments', they have dirty PLAYERS. big difference.

another one of yous

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Clearly? Where?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sc4yz__akIU
Watch it again, it clearly showed that Bowen's foot landed to the left side of Amare's right foot.
I find it incredible how people can actually claim bowen can look at, aim, and successfully deliver a kick to target as small as a person's achilles heel, in a timespan that spans only 2 frames in super slow motion, which, if correct in most cases, is about 2/31 of a second.

You're showing a free frame of what happened after Bowen's foot bounced off of STAT's ankle. Bowen clearly looks like down, measures and throws a kick in about two seconds real time. How do you explain that Amare, who takes so much pride in power dunking, goes limp in his leg and almost falls over, you know, kind of like if he was kicked in the ankle.

[Scumbag]

it became more and more obvious Amare is full of ,

This is almost as good as saying Bowen is in Amare's head. Has he done anything to stop Amare AT ALL this series? If anything, Amare is in Bowens head because the only thing he can think to do, to stop the big bad man, is to stomp on his foot like a 6 year old little girl.

[ambchang]

Amare is clearly kicked. You can see the youtube video, and it offers undeniable proof that he was hit.

And how's the reading comprehension working out for you? Amare new that he was kicked, but did not know whether or not it was unintentional until he saw the replay.

On the contrary, the replay clearly showed Bowen never kicked Amare. All this talk about Amare being sensitive of being hit because of the surgery and such, wouldn't he have been furious the second he was being kicked in the heels, regardless of intention?
And I confess I do struggle with mind-reading comprehension skills, I have no idea that you could read into Amare's mind and knew that he knew he was being kicked during the game, didn't know it after the game, and only knew of it after seeing the replay in slow motion.
Could you also teach me now to read minds that you claim you could? I need to know what lowest possible price I can offer to the car salesman before I purchase my next ride.

[sunsbum]

Clearly? Where?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sc4yz__akIU
Watch it again, it clearly showed that Bowen's foot landed to the left side of Amare's right foot.
I find it incredible how people can actually claim bowen can look at, aim, and successfully deliver a kick to target as small as a person's achilles heel, in a timespan that spans only 2 frames in super slow motion, which, if correct in most cases, is about 2/31 of a second.

wait, this picture shows bruces foot directly ON amares heel/achilles... how again is this proof that bowen isnt a cheapshot artist?

[cornbread]

If a Suns player is injured during this series by Bowen, it's on Stern's head. There have been dozens of examples of this Bowen creep trying to undercut players to take them out. The league has had ample opportunities to send this guy packing. Bowen is indeed a wily mofo. Tough guys make a point of sending a message. Bowen does it on the sly. Like Duncan after a blatant foul he throws up his arms in disbelief. He's like Sylveser caught with tweety in his maw. As a longtime NBA fan, he's the dirtiest, most de able player I've ever seen.

If STAT or Steve get injured by Bowen, Stern should be fired.

I see your heroic crusade against Bruce Bowen continues. Good luck with that.

You can't claim to be some "longtime NBA fan" and then say Bowen is the dirtiest player you've ever seen. Maybe "longtime" to you means 2 or 3 seasons. Bruce Bowen can't even hold a candle to guys like Malone, Stockton, Rodman, or the dirtiest of all, Bill Laimbeer.

Your credibility just went out the window with that take.

[jmard5]

so when you read one page of a book i guess you know the entire story right?

You are comparing this to a page and a book? Lame excuse Suns fan. The fact that the picture tells everything proves that Bowen is innocent... or you are just blind.

Well, probably, you are blind alright.

Next.

[sunsbum]

You are comparing this to a page and a book? Lame excuse Suns fan. The fact that the picture tells everything proves that Bowen is innocent... or you are just blind.

Well, probably, you are blind alright.

Next.

HOW DOES THAT PROVE HES INNOCENT??? HIS FOOT IS ON HIS ING HEEL!!!

[Scumbag]

And I confess I do struggle with mind-reading comprehension skills, I have no idea that you could read into Amare's mind and knew that he knew he was being kicked during the game, didn't know it after the game, and only knew of it after seeing the replay in slow motion.
Could you also teach me now to read minds that you claim you could? I need to know what lowest possible price I can offer to the car salesman before I purchase my next ride.

Hey wad, learn2read -

In the fourth quarter, Stoudemire felt a kick to his left Achilles tendon as he leaped inside. He came down awkwardly and said his foot was sore the rest of the night. He got treatment before practice.

Stoudemire said he wasn't sure Bowen had kicked him on purpose until he saw the replay.

Good job having this guy argue the Spurs case. Go get your god damned eyes checked.

[ambchang]

You're showing a free frame of what happened after Bowen's foot bounced off of STAT's ankle. Bowen clearly looks like down, measures and throws a kick in about two seconds real time. How do you explain that Amare, who takes so much pride in power dunking, goes limp in his leg and almost falls over, you know, kind of like if he was kicked in the ankle.

It was less than a second in real time between Amare catching the ball and dunking it, much less elevating before the alleged kick.
Watch the video again, he caught the ball at the 4 second mark and was done dunking by the 5 second mark.
And I can't explain why Amare didn't elevate the way he normally does, but does that mean Bowen kicked him?
Hey, Manu sucked in this series, and he normally plays very well, so it MUST be Bell playing dirty throughout the series, right?

[jmard5]

Bowen stuck his foot out there but the contact was incidential.

If anything these "dirty tactics" smell of desperation.

You know the Spurs are in trouble when they start tripping, grabbing, and holding just to stay in the game.

Desperation? Who holds HCA? I know the Spurs are scheduled to play AT HOME for 2 straight games.

Tsk. Why are some moronic Suns fans still post idiotic comments.

[ambchang]

This is almost as good as saying Bowen is in Amare's head. Has he done anything to stop Amare AT ALL this series? If anything, Amare is in Bowens head because the only thing he can think to do, to stop the big bad man, is to stomp on his foot like a 6 year old little girl.

What does this have to do with Amare being full of ? Is it because you are so sensitive with people being full of because you are always full of , like how Amare is sensitive to people kicking his heels because of the surgery?