Except for salaries. If Barry came back, that'd be awesome, but will he?
Sometimes he protects his picks.
Anyway, it's still possible to see Spurs missing next year playoff. In the tough west, Spurs are one Duncan long term injury away of being a lottery team. One time you are in the lottery, everything can happen.
It will be stupid to see Spurs losing the first overall pick of the 2009 draft.
Even if Spurs have a 0.1% chance to end up with the first overall pick in 2009, you had to take care of this scenario if you are a serious GM.
If we're a 50-win lottery team, we won't be missing out on the next Greg Oden, we'll be missing out on the next Rodney Stuckey.
Folks overrate the draft in general and the Spurs' draft a en in particular.
don't know what you're bringing up Butler for, he doesn't matter in why the Scola trade was a bad trade other than it was his salary being dumped for LT reasons and Scola being the price paid. I wasn't for butler when he signed the offer sheet, and wasn't for Butler when he finally got sent away.
Read what I quoted from TimVP (page 8) re: how this trade could be worse than the Scola deal. Key Word : how
And trying to twist a risk angle not pointed out on 22 pages of of a thread into some sort of OMG DOOMZ scenario?
Not unlike someone twisting a "Why trade Scola to the Rockets for nothing?" take into a "OMG tank teh season, Scola is the greatest player EVER and the Rockets are guaranteed to win the next 100 les!"
lol
That's why the trade happened. These things don't happen in a vacuum. It was a salary dump and not a good basketball trade, but so what? The Rockets did exactly the same thing Wednesday. It's the NBA. I still fail to see why losing a mid-teens first rounder would be a disaster for a 50-win team that only had injuries to blame missing the playoffs.don't know what you're bringing up Butler for, he doesn't matter in why the Scola trade was a bad trade other than it was his salary being dumped for LT reasons and Scola being the price paid.
Um...while every once in a while a fiftywin team might miss the playoffs...it's extremely rare. It's also possible for teams with losing records to make the playoffs...and happens about as frequently.
And the Spurs are more than a Tim Duncan away from missing the playoffs IMO....they're pretty tough even without Duncan.
Fixed...
When was the last time a team won 50 games and didn't make the playoffs?
I can't think of it happening ever...although I'm sure it has.
But just last season a team with a losing record made the playoffs...and just few years before that the Celtics did it with a horrible record.
I'm sure the pick is protected somewhat. No sane GM gives up a fully unprotected pick. At worst, the pick has to be lottery protected. It might even be protected all the way up to 20-22.
If it comes out eventually that the pick is 100% unprotected, they yeah this was a stupid trade just based on principal. But nowadays, virtually every traded first rounder is protected to some degree.
It hasn't.
I guess that whottt would have traded in 1996 and unprotected 1997 first round pick.
I just looked going all the way back to 1991 and can't find any 50 win teams that missed the playoffs...
I did find about 20 teams with losing records that made the playoffs though.
For a fifty win team to miss the playoffs there would have to be 9 fifty win teams in a conference...unless you want to go back to an era before they had 8 playoff teams per conference....mid 80's.
That's just not going to happen very frequently.
the point of the 50 win scenario was just an example of how even a very good team with only modest injuries could result in a team missing the playoffs.
Right now, the Warriors are on pace for 50 wins and the lottery.
But that 50 wins isn't every possibility. It swings both ways.
It's not like the Spurs have ever had seasons where catastrophe struck and important players missed huge chunks of the year, right?
To sum up:
If the pick is protected, even modestly so like top 3 or top 7, I'll be thrilled that any risks about it were all much ado about nothing. Because a first round pick that's in the 20s as is most likely IF the Spurs stay healthy isn't that much to lose considering their record of draft picks post-2001.
You sure? I could see it happening before they had 8 playoff teams per conference.
so why is fokn bonner still on this team
we shouldve ship his ass out of here also
thank you
that's all I was bringing up, something largely untouched in 22 pages
Actually I wouldn't have...those Spurs team couldn't win a game without David Robinson in the lineup. And I knew that then...
I believe in David Robinson's first 6 years the Spurs were like 6-20 without David Robinson in the lineup....and all those wins came in the same season that he missed the final 3 weeks of the season(they went like 6-15 or something).
They went years at a time without winning a game without him in the lineup....years at a time.
That's not the case of these Spurs...these Spurs frequently continue to win at a 50%+ PCT clip even with Duncan injured for extended period.
Funny thing about championship teams...they are usually playoff teams even without their best player...that's almost always the case.
Bulls lost Jordan and still nearly made the Finals...they took the eventual finalist to 7 games, and those guys took the eventual champion to 7 games...without Jordan.
The Spurs became the first team in NBA history to win back to back double OT games without Duncan in the lineup.
Bruno...there's no comparison to the way these Spurs teams are built and the ones built around David Robinson...
Good move for mine. As much as I like Barry, Kurt Thomas is a perfect fit in our system. Is quite capable of hitting the midrange shot and the odd open 18-footer. On defense, he'll be necessary against the bigs in the West, Shaq, Gasol, Yao etc. I reckon Oberto will start, but wouldn't be surprised to see Thomas get the gig against certain teams.
Plus, he has an expiring contract, which might make things interesting at the end of this season when it's possible for a few guys to be off the books.
Losing a draft pick isn't great, but we have some overseas talent almost ready to go.
I can't say I'm crazy about it, it just seems that the "center" position for this team has been a revolving door of guys trying to fill The Admirals' shoes, I don't know that Kurt will be much better than Francisco, Fabricio, Rasho, and Nazr...
I guess you could toss a coin and pick either Finley or Barry, I really liked how Barry came along but he hasn't been as healthy as Finley this year.
I also don't care for us getting older and older, or at least staying old, but I doubt there was much more out there, Pau Gasols don't grow on trees...
The '71-72 Phoenix Suns went 49-33 and missed the playoffs.
But no team has ever won 50 games and missed the playoffs.
Yeah, I want the Suns to hit maybe 55-57 games and get a decent seed this year. Hopefully, they can go 18-10 over these next 28 games.
The '75-'76 Suns went 42-40 and made the Finals.
I Don't think it was neccesary to give a draft pick for a 35 years old player
but thomas is a good acquisition for the Spurs except the pick
i know the pick wouldn't be good but he could serve for others deal .....
for the next two years thomas will bring a lot to the team ( I hope)
The only team that has actually done that recently has been Pheonix... This was perhaps the biggest strategic error that Colangelo committed when he was there IMO. Just selling them was stupid... That he sold them all to essentially one team (Portland) was silly. That has built the basis of a dynasty in Portland. I am confident that Steve Kerr is smart enough to recognize the false economy of selling 1st round picks, and that this practice will come to an end. I wouldn't expect any 1st rounders to be available, particularly to the Spurs, for simply cash.
I'm curious as to how SAS feels about addressing their offensive problems this year. Is Tony the glue that makes it all work? I always thought Barry was a huge catalyst for the 2nd unit on offense with his ball handling and playmaking skills. He was always a player I feared because he seemed to come up with big plays against us time and time again.
Thomas was a great acquisition though, and if you can get Barry back somehow the trade will be a steal.
I don't know why people are so worried about losing Barry.
He's been out of the lineup for most of the season and between Bowen, Finley and Udoku, we already have three 6'7ish guys who play Spurs D and hit 3s.
And Barry was my favorite Spur and I'm not heartbroken!
He provided depth at the 2 and 3, fit in very well in the offense, and was a part of their small ball lineup. All in all, a luxury compared to the need in the frontcourt rotation and somewhat of a question mark after his injuries. Of course, he may very well be available soon and if the Spurs bring him back that will be nice.
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