Mass shooting in Orlando

[CosmicCowboy]

In case you haven't seen the pattern yet, we still have laws despite the fact they can be broken by criminals, but such laws typically lead to a reduction in those crimes.

You're playing the typical NRA talking point monkey that bases his argument on the point that banning all guns won't eliminate 100% of murders, so therefore all gun legislation is moot. I'm not suggesting we ban guns or that we can eliminate murder.

So what law are you suggesting?

[Spurminator]

We can do a lot more to control access to and usage of high capacity weapons, for one thing.

Also, the terror watch list restriction should be a no-brainer.

Eliminate Gun Show exceptions.

Register all gun owners.

[pgardn]

Did you read it all? It looked like it was very detailed and objective study of a major metropolitan area.

Now if you want to deny the provided information because it doesn't fit your pre-existing opinion, that's on you.

Yep.

I have no opinion on those numbers whatsoever and the numbers don't surprise me one bit.
Does this mean it could not have been done better by more capable people so we would not be constantly going back and forth on numbers? Plus It's a fairly dry study. There are many more interesting questions.

You and SA vs. boots and others constantly disagreeing over numbers... Let the people who do these studies for all kinds of public health numbers have a go...? No way, NRA won't have it. People who know how to do proper studies are all liberal gun control advocates I guess.

[Spurminator]

Also, the terror watch list restriction should be a no-brainer.

And note, I have HUGE problems with the Terror Watch List but I believe we should deal with those issues directly, and hey, maybe something like this will cause GOP loyalists to care a little bit more about the suppression of rights based on questionable su ion.

[spurraider21]

Sometimes it's criminals shooting at criminals and hitting innocents though. My friend's wife was a victim of this while walking with their 9 year old son to the store.

Jaywalkers are criminals

[Aztecfan03]

We can do a lot more to control access to and usage of high capacity weapons, for one thing.

Also, the terror watch list restriction should be a no-brainer.

Eliminate Gun Show exceptions.

Register all gun owners.

If it's as screwed up as the no-fly list, it needs to be fixed first.

[Winehole23]

you can't deny rights based on pure su ion. the so-called terror list loophole is bunk because the terror watch list is bunk.

there aren't 1 million terrorists in the USA.

[Winehole23]

same for for the no fly list. certain erosion of liberties with no demonstrable gain in security.

[Winehole23]

pure opportunism on the part of the Dems. same goes for focusing on so-called assault weapons. they're not frequently used in mass killings: handguns are.

[Winehole23]

doing something just to say we did something this time, is pure bs.

[CosmicCowboy]

Holy ! WH and I agree.

[Winehole23]

optics are bad, but Republicans got this one right.

[Winehole23]

wish they would've cared so much for liberty when they ins uted a no-fly list and a terrorist watch list.

[Winehole23]

Dems too, for that matter, but 9/11 turned them into quivering jelly too.

[HI-FI]

damn, i agree with Winehole as well though i have before. was Cornyn's bill any better or more bull ?

also, not sure if this true but I heard they lost contact with the shooter's wife. if true, how in the is this possible? the guy was already on their radar, feds dropped the ball, then they lost track of his wife?

[Spurminator]

If it's as screwed up as the no-fly list, it needs to be fixed first.

It needs to be fixed, but I don't know if "first" is realistic until people actually feel the impact.

[pgardn]

pure opportunism on the part of the Dems. same goes for focusing on so-called assault weapons. they're not frequently used in mass killings: handguns are.

Neither are nuclear weapons, but there is a reason why they are regulated.
Should we take NH3N03 off the watch closely list Winehole, it's paperwork for farmers?

[Winehole23]

not arguing for a regulation free environment, just saying this remedy is dubious. it wouldn't have worked for the case that prompted it.

[Winehole23]

are you cool with denying rights to citizens based on mere su ion?

[Winehole23]

what does due process mean to you, pgardn?

[Winehole23]

damn, i agree with Winehole as well though i have before. was Cornyn's bill any better or more bull ?

more bull . Cornyn's made of it.

[spurraider21]

the terror watch list/no fly list bans are stupid. its just a way to score political points and say "look, we did something" even though it will have a minimal effect on reducing gun deaths and mass shootings

we need more sweeping reforms than this

[pgardn]

Neither are nuclear weapons, but there is a reason why they are regulated.
Should we take NH3N03 off the watch closely list Winehole, it's paperwork for farmers?

Notice my post did not concern people lists.

It concerns weapons that can be used to kill large numbers of humans very quickly. And monitoring the buying and selling of bomb material. It's common sense. Nothing to do with airplane lists for firearms.

[Spurminator]

same goes for focusing on so-called assault weapons. they're not frequently used in mass killings: handguns are.

I think it's time to stop lumping shootings like Sandy Hook and Orlando under the same "Mass Killing" umbrella as gang warfare where two or more people are killed.

I have no problem with focusing on preventing massacres of innocents like these using weapons that the vast majority of people should never need to own.

[boutons_deux]

Tearful Gun Manufacturers Thankful They All Made It Out Of Massacre Safely

WASHINGTON—Expressing their immense relief at their good fortune, the nation’s gun manufacturers tearfully told reporters Tuesday they were thankful to have made it out of the Orlando massacre safely.

“It’s truly a miracle that all of us got through this okay,” said visibly distraught Colt’s Manufacturing CEO Dennis Veilleux, who frequently choked up while voicing his gra ude that U.S. firearms producers were now free from the danger posed by the mass shooting.

“There was a point back there where I honestly feared the worst, and I had no idea if [Smith & Wesson CEO] James [Debney], [Bushmaster CEO] George [Kollitides], and everyone else would be all right. Now that this nightmare’s over, all I can do is thank God for keeping us out of harm’s way.”

The gun manufacturers went on to praise the NRA for the courage and grit they displayed in quickly responding to such a traumatic crisis.

http://www.theonion.com/article/tearful-gun-manufacturers-thankful-they-all-made-i-53133