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That's the one thing that's surprised me about the officiating in this series, they don't call fouls on Dirk. Manu and Parker have created so much contact with Dirk but they never blow the whistle...
Attacking the rim? With Dirk wouldn't it be more like stumbling toward the rim?
That's the one thing that's surprised me about the officiating in this series, they don't call fouls on Dirk. Manu and Parker have created so much contact with Dirk but they never blow the whistle...
Well I remember that 2003 playoff series and I remember the disbelief by everyone - except the Spurs and their fans - about how everyone could not believe the number of calls and the type of calls that went in the Spurs favor. In fact, there was even a newspaper article written about the craziness of those refs calls (you can see this article in which someone posted on this thread. It is on page 22 of this thread if you want to see it.)
I agree the Spurs back then were a great defensive team and the Mavs were more of a jump shooting team. But in that playoff series the refs went way overboard in awarding just about everything to the Spurs. I watched that series and there was no way the Spurs should've gotten the massive number of calls in their favor that they did. As the article suggested, the NBA felt it was in their best interest that the Spurs won.
Fast-forward now to the present 2006 playoff series. The Spurs are still a very good defensive team, but they have gotten older. And as for the Mavs... they are no longer that jump-shooting, no defense team of 2003. Avery Johnson has turned them into a well rounded, tough team that plays both offense AND defense now. That is why they are getting the calls.
Move over Spurs, there's a new sherriff in town!
Ownage.
Christ. I'm glad someone else noticed. I was waiting for Chris Berman to break out the "he's stumblin', he's bumblin' to the rim!"
Nowitzki went to the line 24 times. 24 FREAKING TIMES! He isn't Kobe. He isn't Shaq. A seven foot jump shooter getting respect from a crew lead by Joey Crawford. The end of the world is near if the Spurs don't win this series.
I believe because the Spurs will not allow armageddon on their watch.
How was whottt's post "ownage"? I completely discredited whottt's post with my post on this page (message #604).
I "owned" him.
MavsFanSinceDayOne....
Since 1980?
Are you asking how long I've been a Mavs fan? Yes, I've been an avid fan since 1980.
When you have to make such a ridiculous hypothetical situation to try to make a point, why even bother to post it? How the **** would a team that commits 75 fouls shoot the same amount of FT's as a team who commits 10? Maybe if you'd looked at the game stats, you'd see Dallas was actually called for MORE fouls than the Spurs in game 2.
Your stats on the 2002-2003 season are wrong, Dallas did not shoot the lowest amount of FT's a game that season, the Knicks did. Followed by the Heat. Then the Sonics, then Dallas. You're making another mistake by simply taking regular season statistics and trying to apply them to playoff basketball. Not only are the playoffs a whole new type of season but teams adjust and teams can play completely different just to match up with their opponent. I guess you missed all 7 games of the Suns/Lakers matchup in round 1? Because I mean hey... going by the regular season stats, Bryant should have been lighting the Suns up for 40 points + every game on the way to LA being swept 4-0. But instead they changed their playstyle to suit the matchup and stretched it out to 7 by pounding the ball inside. What leads you to believe the FT's were equal? Want to see the FT line for the series?
Mavs: 96 FTA
Spurs:171 FTA
Pretty big difference there. However, I don't see Mavs fans still whining about that, I see plenty of Spurs fans whining about that series again after game 3 last night and YOU GUYS WON THE ****ING SERIES Do you not remember game two when the Spurs shot like 30 more FT's than Dallas? Or what about game 3 when Dallas got an amazing SIX FTA for the game?
This year the Spurs have had trouble defending the Mavs with Harris each time they've played. They are older than 2 years ago, they are exhausted and banged up after a long series and a long first round series and Dallas is simply too fast for them. Comparing regular season tendencies to playoff games is beyond ridiculous. I mean hey, we have a completely different PG starting for the SOLE REASON to penetrate your "all world" interior defense and rape it to . It's worked in 2 games now and that's why the Spurs have lost no matter what stupid logic you want to try and come up with.
So even the ridiculously stupid people will be able to get it...Alas you prove that it did not work.
I see the point I was making zipped right over your head...How the **** would a team that commits 75 fouls shoot the same amount of FT's as a team who commits 10? Maybe if you'd looked at the game stats, you'd see Dallas was actually called for MORE fouls than the Spurs in game 2.
Idiot...the point is that you can't simply look at FT differential and tell if the officiating altered the course of the game or if the game was fairly officiated.
If you understand that simple statement...then you should also slowly be realizing how stupid you look right now...
Before you think yourself qualified to engage me in any kind of basketball discussion...
I want you to take a look at the point I was making...take a look at how stupid your response to it was...realize that you are an idiot...take 5 minutes to come up with a suitable apology...and then take a few more days to attempt to come up with a logical rebuttal using linear thought that is actually a response to that point.
Apologize for your stupidity, and apologize for forcing me to have to explain the obvious to you. Then shut up.
Idiot...again you open your moith in ignorance...Your stats on the 2002-2003 season are wrong, Dallas did not shoot the lowest amount of FT's a game that season, the Knicks did. Followed by the Heat. Then the Sonics, then Dallas.
Were the Knicks in the playoffs that year? Were the Heat? Were the Sonics?
Ok aside from the fact that even using your own astounding stat finding capablity, the Mavs were just about the worst in the league...
Ask yourself what relevance you could possibly attatch to a playoff discussion by the inclusion of 3 teams that did not make the playoffs?
You're making another mistake by simply taking regular season statistics and trying to apply them to playoff basketball. Not only are the playoffs a whole new type of season but teams adjust and teams can play completely different just to match up with their opponent. I
Please kill yourself...
I know you are not a Mav fan explaining playoff basketball to me?
This cannot be happening...not even Mav fan can be this stupid. Mav fan, of the run and gun worst defense in the NBA Dallas Mavs of 2003 is attempting to explain to me playoff ball? All the while missing the forrest for the trees?
If you understand playoff basketball..then you would know why the Mavs no longer play that style, you would also understand why, when they suddenly found themselves being forced to play D midway through that series, that it is very unlikely they commited as few shooting fouls as the Spurs....and why they now play a style very similar to the style of the Spurs...the style the Spurs played then.
The rest of your stupid rant has been snipped...
Realize you are stupid...apologize for causing me to waste precious moments of my life explaining a simple point to you, and then think long and hard about the game, how it is played, and it's history, before attempting to engage me in a discussion about basketball ever again....
Last edited by whottt; 05-14-2006 at 11:29 PM.
Good one.
This is when it's good to have whottt on your side.
Actually, the interior D is weak because Popovich has opted to not play his top 2 centers. Otherwise, you might have a point.This year the Spurs have had trouble defending the Mavs with Harris each time they've played. They are older than 2 years ago, they are exhausted and banged up after a long series and a long first round series and Dallas is simply too fast for them. Comparing regular season tendencies to playoff games is beyond ridiculous. I mean hey, we have a completely different PG starting for the SOLE REASON to penetrate your "all world" interior defense and rape it to . It's worked in 2 games now and that's why the Spurs have lost no matter what stupid logic you want to try and come up with.
Why is it that Mavs fans seem like Cowboys fans on summer vacation?
This is when it's good to have whottt on your side.
The feeling is mutual
And you can always count on that my Silver and Black Brother
Seen brother Chump lately?
Why is it that Mavs fans seem like Cowboys fans on summer vacation?
because THEY ARE!!!
in REFS!!!!!!
Wow, someone is pissy because they got ing owned. Can you type one sentence without a weak ass insult?
The "point" you were trying to make, if any point can even be created using such a ing re ed analogy, is irrelevant to this situation because we weren't talking about some 2 or 3 point game we're talking about a game that was won in the second quarter and was won by over 20 points. A blowout. Now, when you have calmed down and want to speak at the big boy table come back and explain to me how such a small FTA differencial makes any sort of difference in a game that both teams were getting fouls called on them yet one team lost by over 20. And please, I don't want to see any more ing stupid comments about one team getting a million fouls compared to another and no way to tell if a game is being officiated fairly because it's all a crock of when you look at simple numbers.
You just might be the whiniest Spurs fan I have come across on this forum so far junior and believe me that is saying A LOT
Well, someone needs to explain basketball to you because you obviously don't know . Where in this re ed rant are you backing up your stupid non-existant points whatsoever? You have the maturity of my 3 year old son, junior. I completely debunked every single piece of arguement you tried to make and all you can come back with is trying to make some type of irrelevant point about the Mavs changing playstyles. Hey junior, the Mavs style of play changed because the Mavs coach changed. Yea, the Mavs style of play was never going to win a le, everyone and their dog knows that but what the does it have to do with anything I said, jackass? None of that changes the fact that you said the FT's in 2003 were even when in reality SA had nearly double the FTA, which only backs up the fact that Dallas is playing fundamental playoff basketball now and that's the reason your Spurs are down 2-1, doesn't have to do with any refs.
I'd snip something too if it made me look like a complete ing moron
When you have to make such a ridiculous hypothetical situation to try to make a point, why even bother to post it? How the **** would a team that commits 75 fouls shoot the same amount of FT's as a team who commits 10? Maybe if you'd looked at the game stats, you'd see Dallas was actually called for MORE fouls than the Spurs in game 2.
Your stats on the 2002-2003 season are wrong, Dallas did not shoot the lowest amount of FT's a game that season, the Knicks did. Followed by the Heat. Then the Sonics, then Dallas. You're making another mistake by simply taking regular season statistics and trying to apply them to playoff basketball. Not only are the playoffs a whole new type of season but teams adjust and teams can play completely different just to match up with their opponent. I guess you missed all 7 games of the Suns/Lakers matchup in round 1? Because I mean hey... going by the regular season stats, Bryant should have been lighting the Suns up for 40 points + every game on the way to LA being swept 4-0. But instead they changed their playstyle to suit the matchup and stretched it out to 7 by pounding the ball inside. What leads you to believe the FT's were equal? Want to see the FT line for the series?
Mavs: 96 FTA
Spurs:171 FTA
Pretty big difference there. However, I don't see Mavs fans still whining about that, I see plenty of Spurs fans whining about that series again after game 3 last night and YOU GUYS WON THE ****ING SERIES Do you not remember game two when the Spurs shot like 30 more FT's than Dallas? Or what about game 3 when Dallas got an amazing SIX FTA for the game?
This year the Spurs have had trouble defending the Mavs with Harris each time they've played. They are older than 2 years ago, they are exhausted and banged up after a long series and a long first round series and Dallas is simply too fast for them. Comparing regular season tendencies to playoff games is beyond ridiculous. I mean hey, we have a completely different PG starting for the SOLE REASON to penetrate your "all world" interior defense and rape it to . It's worked in 2 games now and that's why the Spurs have lost no matter what stupid logic you want to try and come up with.
Pwnd
Whottt vs Dampier - Good matchup so far.
No Kori...not a good matchup...
From this stupid little acorn:
A mighty dumbass has grown...
Link to where I made that claim, Damp?
I warned you previously that you didn't know what the you were talking about....Read first...smack later. You'll be better off.
What I said was...FT differential is not an indicator of a good or fairly officiated game. It isn't.
Haha, it figures that the post about the 2003 would be mostly ignored except for the ludicrous post about how the refs may be targeting Finley and Van Exel. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense considering Van Exel was out of the game so quickly so how could he have contributed to the foul differential. Spurs fans cannot deny the facts but they sure can make up some crazy excuses about the officiating. One guy said FT differential doesn't matter while another one es about how many FTs the Mavs took in the last game, make up your frickin' mind. This is why you'll lose, no mental toughness either for the fans or the team right now. When you stop making comeback remarks that consist of nothing but silly little emoticons then maybe you'll realize that it's stupid to complain about the officiating.
And yet, the whining only starts up when the Spurs lose and the fans realize that the opposing team went to the line more than they did and the series is 2-1 in favor of the opposing team. Why not talk about officiating every night since it's the same refs rotating throughout the series?
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