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    At what point do we say god is dead? When that evil science finally yields "proof" (such a nebulous word) of how DNA molecules were formed?

    You know, I know, every christian and anti christian knows what will happen. That "proof" will not be conclusive enough, and you'll just stick to your stupid argument further. Well that isn't as concrete as my christian god designing this universe!!!

    Its a never ending struggle against progress and regress and throwing god into any logical discussion is something that has lead our collective intelligence in circles for what, how many millenia now?
    You have succinctly stated the "god of the gaps" fallacy. This happens when one points out something science cannot explain and declares that God must have done it.

    Of course there was some mechanism by which DNA molecules were formed. I don't think even hegamboa buys that God just went POOF! and hey, look, DNA. The question is whether it is more plausible to think that such a mechanism occured randomly, or that it was guided.

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    At what point do we say god is dead? When that evil science finally yields "proof" (such a nebulous word) of how DNA molecules were formed?

    You know, I know, every christian and anti christian knows what will happen. That "proof" will not be conclusive enough, and you'll just stick to your stupid argument further. Well that isn't as concrete as my christian god designing this universe!!!

    Its a never ending struggle against progress and regress and throwing god into any logical discussion is something that has lead our collective intelligence in circles for what, how many millenia now?

    Right... because people like me impede the progress of science.... get a clue. Go back and read the thread again.

    Science is at a standstill will regards to that 'elusive' proof not because people like me are preventing them from getting it... Science simply can't find it...

    First of all, no one can go back in time to even know what earth's primitive environment was made of... we can only make a best-educated guess, and for now that is as good as any in attempting to define the starting point... If we then assume that amino acids are precursors to DNA we have to find mechanisms that can build amino acids from even smaller organic precursors such as formaldehyde, methanol, thiols, etc... You then would have to find abiotic means of propeling said reactions... and that's where the train comes to a halt. The envelope required for the entropy of said reaction sets to be satisfied would be so large that nothing else in the natural world would even come close. That's not to say that the creation of amino acids is impossible as even we have created them in a laboratory... the only problem there, is that we interfere excessively in a process that was supposed to occur without any interference or manipulation....

    I'll make an analogy for the creation of DNA....
    It's like wishing for a bowling ball at the bottom of a 1000-ft hill to suddenly find itself at the top of the hill without assistance. You could let millions of years pass by but the ball would never do that or 'want' to do that on its own. Sure, someone can guide it up there; but then that would be interefering... and that is exactly what we pass off for the creation of amino acids....

    Of course, science never counted on the fact that the "ball becomes extremely heavier" the closer you take it to the apex of the hill, and that once there, it immediately wants to roll down again. Rather than allowing the ball to roll down the hill and negate all the work it took to get it there we fix the environment so that everything around the ball is also at 1000-ft... now the ball can't or 'won't' feel the urge to roll down... after all, that is what we do in the laboratory with a purification step...

    At this point, we then hope that 100 other bowling balls that made it to this point can all reach the pinnacle of a separate 15,000 ft mountain and create a bigger ball while doing so (this one representing DNA) -- again, unassisted. Can you see the hurdles???

    People like me did not place those chemical hurdles there... they were always there. And I'm not assuming Science didn't know about them either... they just know that the average Joe Moe doesn't care enough about these itsy-bitsy details.... conveniently though -- even while peer reviewed -- these methods are passed off as representing the 'genesis of life' reactions... but 'I can see right through their methods' and am not easily fooled.

    People like me point to the fact that the 'most widely accepted' theory on nature cannot begin until said hurdles are overcome. Ignoring that would be dismissive of science and not the other way around.

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    Right... because people like me impede the progress of science.... get a clue. Go back and read the thread again.

    Science is at a standstill will regards to that 'elusive' proof not because people like me are preventing them from getting it... Science simply can't find it...

    First of all, no one can go back in time to even know what earth's primitive environment was made of... we can only make a best-educated guess,
    and for now that is as good as any in attempting to define the starting point... If we then assume that amino acids are precursors to DNA we have to find mechanisms that can build amino acids from even smaller organic precursors such as formaldehyde, methanol, thiols, etc... You then would have to find abiotic means of propeling said reactions... and that's where the train comes to a halt. The envelope required for the entropy of said reaction sets to be satisfied would be so large that nothing else in the natural world would even come close. That's not to say that the creation of amino acids is impossible as even we have created them in a laboratory... the only problem there, is that we interfere excessively in a process that was supposed to occur without any interference or manipulation....

    I'll make an analogy for the creation of DNA....
    It's like wishing for a bowling ball at the bottom of a 1000-ft hill to suddenly find itself at the top of the hill without assistance. You could let millions of years pass by but the ball would never do that or 'want' to do that on its own. Sure, someone can guide it up there; but then that would be interefering... and that is exactly what we pass off for the creation of amino acids....

    Of course, science never counted on the fact that the "ball becomes extremely heavier" the closer you take it to the apex of the hill, and that once there, it immediately wants to roll down again. Rather than allowing the ball to roll down the hill and negate all the work it took to get it there we fix the environment so that everything around the ball is also at 1000-ft... now the ball can't or 'won't' feel the urge to roll down... after all, that is what we do in the laboratory with a purification step...

    At this point, we then hope that 100 other bowling balls that made it to this point can all reach the pinnacle of a separate 15,000 ft mountain and create a bigger ball while doing so (this one representing DNA) -- again, unassisted. Can you see the hurdles???

    People like me did not place those chemical hurdles there... they were always there. And I'm not assuming Science didn't know about them either... they just know that the average Joe Moe doesn't care enough about these itsy-bitsy details.... conveniently though -- even while peer reviewed -- these methods are passed off as representing the 'genesis of life' reactions... but 'I can see right through their methods' and am not easily fooled.

    People like me point to the fact that the 'most widely accepted' theory on nature cannot begin until said hurdles are overcome. Ignoring that would be dismissive of science and not the other way around.
    So the most educated of all guesses HAS to coincidentally be the first of all guesses as well:

    GOD
    DID
    IT!

    brilliant!

    my mind is at ease now


    btw your analogies are flawed in that they rely on laws of the old physics, while you yourself mentioned quantum physics to (somehow) bolster your argument, another case of using science to your advantage one sentence, then bashing it the next.


    Didn't I already call you out for that? Surely someone as well versed in the new physics as yourself realizes the feebleness of your analogies?
    Last edited by Cant_Be_Faded; 06-23-2006 at 02:35 PM.

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    So the most educated of all guesses HAS to coincidentally be the first of all guesses as well:

    GOD
    DID
    IT!

    brilliant!

    my mind is at ease now
    I'm not trying to convince you that GOD exists... that only happens at a spiritual level.

    BTW re-read the post... you clearly have comprehension deficiencies... That is the best guess man can make... science and all...


    btw your analogies are flawed in that they rely on laws of the old physics, while you yourself mentioned quantum physics to (somehow) bolster your argument, another case of using science to your advantage one sentence, then bashing it the next.


    Didn't I already call you out for that? Surely someone as well versed in the new physics as yourself realizes the feebleness of your analogies?
    Old physics??? you mean classical mechanics?? Ummm dude. Those concepts still apply.

    Call me out all you want, it doesn't faze me out.... particularly because you are doing it without much substance to begin with. Feebleness... Please...

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    Just stop CBF, faith does not conform to reason.

    The sole purpose I entered this thread was to prove the inherent aloofness and righteous superiority these zealots feel being emboldened by their popularity. They are ignorant and arrogant and believe that some divine (ie 'good guy') force guides them.

    Dangerous individuals. More dangerous than some terrorist holed up in a mountain on a dialesis machine.

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    I'm not trying to convince you that GOD exists... that only happens at a spiritual level.

    BTW re-read the post... you clearly have comprehension deficiencies... That is the best guess man can make... science and all...



    Old physics??? you mean classical mechanics?? Ummm dude. Those concepts still apply.

    Call me out all you want, it doesn't faze me out.... particularly because you are doing it without much substance to begin with. Feebleness... Please...


    rOFLROFLROFLROFL

    LOLOL

    Dude
    your true knowledge of the new physics reveals itself

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    Just stop CBF, faith does not conform to reason.

    The sole purpose I entered this thread was to prove the inherent aloofness and righteous superiority these zealots feel being emboldened by their popularity. They are ignorant and arrogant and believe that some divine (ie 'good guy') force guides them.

    Dangerous individuals. More dangerous than some terrorist holed up in a mountain on a dialesis machine.

    yeah this thread

    i only trolled it to sidetrack it, but it is fun too

    we should all just go to www.youtube.com and look at tool concert videos

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    Just stop CBF, faith does not conform to reason.

    The sole purpose I entered this thread was to prove the inherent aloofness and righteous superiority these zealots feel being emboldened by their popularity. They are ignorant and arrogant and believe that some divine (ie 'good guy') force guides them.

    Dangerous individuals. More dangerous than some terrorist holed up in a mountain on a dialesis machine.
    People's Exhibit-A on Hypocrisy....

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    hegamboa you said im not leaning on much substance but you made analogies based on laws of classical physics, which, (based on new scientific breakthrough you oh so eagerly want to embrace) all but tells us what we are sensing with our senses isn't exactly what is "really happening" so I guess you are standing on firm ground there, mr MIT.

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    rOFLROFLROFLROFL

    LOLOL

    Dude
    your true knowledge of the new physics reveals itself

    Your lack of comprehension is now evident... what else is new?? ... your manifest stupity completely revealed... Good one.

    Next time when someone asks you to bring an argument with substance, at least try to do it... prove us wrong and show us you are capable of that task...

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    hegamboa you said im not leaning on much substance but you made analogies based on laws of classical physics, which, (based on new scientific breakthrough you oh so eagerly want to embrace) all but tells us what we are sensing with our senses isn't exactly what is "really happening" so I guess you are standing on firm ground there, mr MIT.

    You make no sense whatsoever....

    The analogy I made was simple potential energy relationship... as far as I know that is still a valid concept Mr. Mohamed al-faded...

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    Next time you support your belief in the christian god, use more analogies based on classical physics

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    You make no sense whatsoever....

    The analogy I made was simple potential energy relationship... as far as I know that is still a valid concept Mr. Mohamed al-faded...

    Which is about as meaningless and useless as feeding a mathematical counting machine some mangoes and mandarin oranges

    New physics says all that crap you keep referring to isn't really happening as you say it is
    hence
    your analogies blow

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    An object tends to fall down towards the earth's surface, but we don't know how DNA was created, so GOD did it

    -hegamboa

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    Next time you support your belief in the christian god, use more analogies based on classical physics

    Backpedaling.... CBF ... you couldn't take the heat???

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    Which is about as meaningless and useless as feeding a mathematical counting machine some mangoes and mandarin oranges

    New physics says all that crap you keep referring to isn't really happening as you say it is
    hence
    your analogies blow

    Again, I'm not talking about quantum physics... when I do you'll know about it... a ball on a hill is still a ball on a hill.

    Governed by the gravitational force between the mass of two bodies... where the big body is Earth and the little one the ball. Simple really...

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    An object tends to fall down towards the earth's surface, but we don't know how DNA was created, so GOD did it

    -hegamboa

    Your understanding of our world needs more substance....

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    Backpedaling.... CBF ... you couldn't take the heat???

    no i was being sarcastic

    only point im really trying to make is science and religion are different en ies and they will never be truely reconciled

    it's madness

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    no i was being sarcastic

    only point im really trying to make is science and religion are different en ies and they will never be truely reconciled

    it's madness
    I've said this multiple times...

    Science can't prove or disprove the existence of GOD...

    Nature can only point to its Creator... and does. Look around you, you actually believe earth's highly varied fauna and flora, the stars in the sky, the weather... earths perfect distance from the sun, our perfect oxygen concentration, earth's protective magnetic shield... just happened to be???

    The Bible clearly says 'that men are without excuse' due to the fact that GOD left his 'calling card' on His creation.... that most don't believe is there own perogative... but, we will still be accountable to GOD nonetheless...

    Did you ever think about that rhetorical comment I posted earlier? That there are no athiests in ... did you get it?

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    I've said this multiple times...

    Science can't prove or disprove the existence of GOD...
    exactly, they are seperate and irreconcilable

    Nature can only point to its Creator... and does. Look around you, you actually believe earth's highly varied fauna and flora, the stars in the sky, the weather... earths perfect distance from the sun, our perfect oxygen concentration... just happened to be???
    heeeere we go, okay everyone, heeeere we go, hegamboa is using science to defend the christian god

    The Bible clearly says 'that men are without excuse' due to the fact that GOD left his 'calling card' on His creation.... that most don't believe is there own perogative... but, we will still be accountable to GOD regardless...
    heeeeere we go, okay everyone, sit down, relax, heeeere we go, okay hegamboa is teaching us christian doctrine
    Did you ever think about that rhetorical comment I posted earlier? That there are no athiests in ... did you get it?
    yes i did, witty on a couple levels, but who cares

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    exactly, they are seperate and irreconcilable
    Which means you really don't know what I'm debating... otherwise your comments would address the concerns and not your own opinions of what you believe I'm trying to propose...

    heeeere we go, okay everyone, heeeere we go, hegamboa is using science to defend the christian god
    For example, what does "using science to defend the christian god" really mean??? I'm using Creation's perfection to 'defend' GOD.... not science... If 'science' is how you've chosen to classify your world... so be it.. But, you will inherently misunderstand my stance when you take that perspective.

    heeeeere we go, okay everyone, sit down, relax, heeeere we go, okay hegamboa is teaching us christian doctrine
    You can be eerily paranoid at times... it is only my belief and simply an opinion. Take it as such.


    yes i did, witty on a couple levels, but who cares
    Just realize you will have no excuse.

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    so now all the gloves are off

    hegamboa's christian beliefs dictate that i am going to too

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    so now all the gloves are off

    hegamboa's christian beliefs dictate that i am going to too

    I believe it... whether you choose to accept it or not is still only your decision...

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    yet my decision has absolutely no consequence in your entire existence due to me being entirely uninfluenced by christian dogma

    so, no, i don't have a decision
    according to you that is

    actually

    according to you
    i don't even really exist

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    for all you know i am a demon or satan himself, simply trying to make you stray from your precious faith

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