My only regret is that my Spurs wall calendar has two months devoted to Francisco Elson and two months for Brent Barry. In August I'm going to be looking at the Sonics' third string center.
Give to get.
Barry hasn't been healthy virtually all year and drives Pop nuts by missing defensive assignments.
We've got a new backup PG to bring the ball up. Stoudamire.
We got an emerging bench SF who can hit some baseline 3s. Udoku.
Mike Finley does a lot of what Barry did.
Like you implied, we traded some excess for a profound need.
One unique aspect of this trade is the timing. Teams like to wait all the way up to the deadline to make sure no better offers come rolling in. Supposedly the Sonics had a whole group of teams trying to get Thomas. Why would the Sonics trade him a day early?
Perhaps they just got what they wanted. Or maybe the Spurs made yesterday the deadline so that they could still have time to work the phone lines today. Depending on how Pop plans to use Thomas and Oberto, all of a sudden Horry's expiring contract might come into play.
I don't advocate trading Horry but it'd explain the timing of the Thomas trade.
Hmmmmmm . . .
this trade gives me the warm and fuzzies. our second unit will be able to sustain or increase any lead that we have now.
Absolutely true, but the problem is finding them. With hindsight it's easy.
2002 SA Picks John Salmons #26 (traded), Scola #56 (traded) , Randy Holcomb #57 (out of league)
Alternatives for #26 Dan Gadzuric, Carlos Boozer.
Alternatives for #56, Alternatives for #57 Maurice Evans (undrafted)
2003 SA Picks Barbosa #28 (traded to Suns in pre-arranged deal for 1st rounder next year)
Alternative for #28 Josh Howard, Zaur Pachulia, Luke Walton, Kyle Korver
2004 SA Picks Udrih #28 (busted, traded to Kings, has since improved), #42 Sanikidze #42 (traded for from Hawks with future 2nd rd pick, not come over yet) , 2005 2nd, Sato #52 (out of league), Karaulov #57 (not coming over)
Alternatives #28's Varejao, Duhon, Ariza,
2005 SA Picks Mahinmi #28, #30 (traded to Knicks as part of the Nazr Mohammed deal), #59 (traded to Atlanta for Sanikidze)
Alternatives #28's David Lee, Ryan Gomes, Andray Blatche, Amir Johnson
2006 SA Picks #29 (traded to Knicks as part of Nazr Mohammed deal), #59 (traded to Bucks for future 1st)
Alternatives NONE (given we only actually had #59 by draft time...)
2007 SA Picks #28 Splitter, #33 Marcus Williams, #58 (trade to TO for a future 2nd...)
Alternatives for #28, Kopponen (maybe...)
Alternatives for #33 Glen Davis, Fesenko, McRoberts (maybe), Mcguire, Strawberry(maybe), Reyshawn Terry (maybe), Chris Richard, Demetris Nichols (maybe)
This exercise has proved that we are no more certain of hitting a good player late in the 1st than anyone else. We also tend to miss good players with regularity...Just like everyone else. The draft can be a real crapshoot.
Another Spurs trade that reeks of collusion!
I was wondering about this. I thought it strange the Spurs made a trade a day early when they like to wait till the last minute. I hope it's because they have another small move where they get another swing player as insurance.
Most likely it was because Seattle had so many offers for Thomas that the Spurs had to move quickly.
Not much longer to wait to see.
Two words:
PJ Carlessimo
"Sure, Pop... fvck those Lakers. Sorry about beating you guys last week, by the way."
Like I said, if you wanted to dangle some more excess, you've got Horry (I would like to keep him), Bonner, Vaughn, picks and Splitter and Mahimi to fvck around with.
Maybe it is so the Spurs can trade Thomas today!!One unique aspect of this trade is the timing. Teams like to wait all the way up to the deadline to make sure no better offers come rolling in. Supposedly the Sonics had a whole group of teams trying to get Thomas. Why would the Sonics trade him a day early?
Perhaps they just got what they wanted. Or maybe the Spurs made yesterday the deadline so that they could still have time to work the phone lines today. Depending on how Pop plans to use Thomas and Oberto, all of a sudden Horry's expiring contract might come into play.
I don't advocate trading Horry but it'd explain the timing of the Thomas trade.
Hmmmmmm . . .
One unique aspect of this trade is the timing. Teams like to wait all the way up to the deadline to make sure no better offers come rolling in. Supposedly the Sonics had a whole group of teams trying to get Thomas. Why would the Sonics trade him a day early?
Perhaps they just got what they wanted. Or maybe the Spurs made yesterday the deadline so that they could still have time to work the phone lines today. Depending on how Pop plans to use Thomas and Oberto, all of a sudden Horry's expiring contract might come into play.
I don't advocate trading Horry but it'd explain the timing of the Thomas trade.
Hmmmmmm . . .
Yeah, why wouldn't the Sonics wait until today? It's possible that they wanted to move things up to see what was available for themselves. Maybe they got the final offers from the serious suitors and made a decision. Financially the trade works out for the Sonics in that they will probably be able to reduce their payout to Barry by more than the differential in salary they took on. Still, it is interesting from the Spurs' perspective.
Artest to SA could possibly help them land better talent moving forward. Horry had his moments in the last postseason (ie Denver series) and you hate to see the Spurs give up such a clutch shooter because you just know there's going to be a time when that is needed in the playoffs. Also, to land Artest you know the Spurs are going to have to give up some combination of their prospects and future picks.
Still, think about (not to make Ghost wet himself) a 10 man rotation like...
Starters
1 Parker
2 Finley
3 Bowen
4 Duncan
5 Oberto
Bench
1 Stoudamire
2 Ginobili
2/3 Udoka
3/4 Artest
4/5 Thomas
Spurs still have their Beno trade exception. Maybe there's a deal out there they can find to land another swingman for something cheap (2nd round pick).
From yesterday afternoon:
(2:49 p.m.)
Someone within the Spurs organization is steering folks astray, as it now seems as if that situation may not exist. It never made sense as it was, and wasn't anything close to a deal the Kings would consider.
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs...es/010679.html
Derek, Salt Lake City: Chad...don't you think the Spurs basically stole Kurt Thomas yesterday?
SportsNation Chad Ford: (1:30 PM ET ) Yeah. And it's a problem. The Lakers steal Gasol. The Hawks steal Mike Bibby. The Spurs steal Kurt Thomas. Now every GM wants the same type of deal. Send me a really good player and I'll give you back nothing of value in return. A few GMs are desperate enough to trade away great players for cap space ... but most aren't.
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=19384
Interesting that he thinks the deal was so one-sided...
The Sonics got a 1st round pick and a probably a little payroll reduction for a 35 year old big man, solid but yet a role player, with an expiring contract. What else was available for him?
It's Udoka, godammit!!!
Sudoku?
linkIt sounds like the Kings, at least, have reached the point where they're more ready to move Artest than keep him at this point, given that they're unlikely to re-sign him in the summer and could use the final 29 games to get an even better feel for what John Salmons and their three point guards (Beno Udrih, Anthony Johnson and Tyronn Lue) can do.
Even better... start Artest and extend Bowen's career and effectiveness.Yeah, why wouldn't the Sonics wait until today? It's possible that they wanted to move things up to see what was available for themselves. Maybe they got the final offers from the serious suitors and made a decision. Financially the trade works out for the Sonics in that they will probably be able to reduce their payout to Barry by more than the differential in salary they took on. Still, it is interesting from the Spurs' perspective.
Artest to SA could possibly help them land better talent moving forward. Horry had his moments in the last postseason (ie Denver series) and you hate to see the Spurs give up such a clutch shooter because you just know there's going to be a time when that is needed in the playoffs. Also, to land Artest you know the Spurs are going to have to give up some combination of their prospects and future picks.
Still, think about (not to make Ghost wet himself) a 10 man rotation like...
Starters
1 Parker
2 Finley
3 Bowen
4 Duncan
5 Oberto
Bench
1 Stoudamire
2 Ginobili
2/3 Udoka
3/4 Artest
4/5 Thomas
Scott (Orlando, FL): Are the Magic afraid to pull the trigger? They should have gotten Kurt Thomas (as they had expiring contracts and a better 1st rounder than SA). It wouldn't have cost them anything long term as Thomas is in the final year as well.
SportsNation Chad Ford: (1:52 PM ET ) They were in the hunt for Thomas. I think they had a better first rounder to give the Sonics. The cynical view is that Sam Presti helped out the Spurs out of loyalty. I don't think the Magic can make a big deal because they seem very reluctant to part with either Turkoglu or Re
Another comment about the trade.
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=19384
So Seattle turned down a better deal from another team to make a deal with the Spurs... Where are Pop's comments now?
Who says they were willing to give the first rounder?
Given that it's a 2009 pick, the East sucks, the West is coming on with team like Portland, the Lakers, Magic are young and improving, the Spurs need to revamp after losing most of their wing players with little money to replace them with, I'd say Presti may well have gone after the better potential draft pick. Chad Ford is a dumb proven many times over. No wonder ploto quotes him.
Pop's hand was forced.
Thanks, PJ and Presti.
Eh, so what? After the Gasol trade what's going to happen?
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