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    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    Dukakis was up big in aug and lost in a big landside
    http://www.270towin.com/1988_Election/

    “When I was allegedly 15 points ahead, I never was really. It was because I had come off a pretty impressive primary victory,” the 82-year-old former governor said, adding, “You’re obviously going to get a bit of a bounce if you win, and I’m sure [Trump]’s getting that kind of a bounce, since he’s won the thing.”Dukakis quote

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/...election-polls
    Bush 41 took the lead at the Republican convention and never trailed again.

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    Bush 41 took the lead at the Republican convention and never trailed again.
    And anyways, those were two actual politicians. Trump is full of and everyone knows it.

    People not liking him is the least of his problem. He's trailing with so many minorities that the lead he has with whites (Which is actually decreasing) male is void.

    With 65 something odd days to go he won't even make a third of what he needs.

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    And anyways, those were two actual politicians. Trump is full of and everyone knows it.

    People not liking him is the least of his problem. He's trailing with so many minorities that the lead he has with whites (Which is actually decreasing) male is void.

    With 65 something odd days to go he won't even make a third of what he needs.


    I don't think he's trying to win. Not at all. I watched a clip last night with Trump's former Latino out reach guy who said that he's not sure what Trump was doing or trying to accomplish. He said that he would say or act one way in the meetings trying to act sorta presidential, listening to idea's making compromises, etc , then he gets in front of the camera and goes totally off base as to what he said he would do in the meetings. He said he wasn't sure if it's that Trump listens to the last person that he speaks with, or is he just flat out in it to sell t-shirts and hats.

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    Your whole basis for your "arguments" in any form are rwnj talking points, and semantics.

    Now, I'll give you credit for not being a complete slobbering mongoloid like re ducks hater etc. (congrats?) but there is absolutely nothing in anything you post that is in any way, shape, or form insightful.
    You are constantly ignored but the irony here was too delicious to pass up.

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    FBI: Clinton Says Could Not Recall All Briefings Due to Concussion

    does not help her health questions!

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    isn't it nice that we finally have a politician that provides complete transparency by making all her emails available?

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    FBI: Laptop That Held Clinton's E-Mails Has Gone Missing

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    FBI: Laptop That Held Clinton's E-Mails Has Gone Missing
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...tual-mail.html

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    Who sends such an important item through the postal mail?

    This is the FBI or whomever wants it should handle directly.

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    Hillary Aide Deleted Emails After NYT Story Reveled Server Setup

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    The poll showed 40 percent of likely voters supporting Trump and 39 percent backing Clinton for the week of Aug. 26 to Sept. 1. Clinton's support has dropped steadily in the weekly tracking poll since Aug. 25, eliminating what had been a eight-point lead for her.

    Reuters/Ipsos Poll: Trump Catches Up to Clinton

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    The poll showed 40 percent of likely voters supporting Trump and 39 percent backing Clinton for the week of Aug. 26 to Sept. 1. Clinton's support has dropped steadily in the weekly tracking poll since Aug. 25, eliminating what had been a eight-point lead for her.

    Reuters/Ipsos Poll: Trump Catches Up to Clinton
    InB4 Reck s on the Reuters poll even though he touted the same poll weeks ago when Clinton was leading in it.

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1182PT

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    Hillary Aide Deleted Emails After NYT Story Reveled Server Setup
    How bout adding the link ducks.

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    InB4 Reck s on the Reuters poll even though he touted the same poll weeks ago when Clinton was leading in it.

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1182PT
    Show the post where I "touted" she was leading it.

    Also, a reminder: what is the national average polling?

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    down to 3.2 in a 4 person race

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    TheSanityAnnex quit hiding.

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    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/ar...ere-well-known



    Hillary Clinton used at least eight different mobile devices to send private e-mail during her tenure as secretary of state -- none of which were recovered by the FBI as part of its investigation into her communications practices as the nation’s top diplomat.

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    Trump hires the biggest, most disgraceful hatchet man yet.

    He hired David Bossie to advice him on the debates.

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    Did you all hear about this????


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    The reason why Trump doesn't do rallies in black communities..

    Video inside.
    http://www.freep.com/story/news/poli...urch/89768582/

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    Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has run an unusually cheap campaign in part by not paying at least 10 top staffers, consultants and advisers, some of whom are no longer with the campaign, according to a review of federal campaign finance filings.


    Those who have so far not been paid, the filings show, include recently departed campaign manager Paul Manafort, California state director Tim Clark, communications director Michael Caputo and a pair of senior aides who left the campaign in June to immediately go to work for a Trump Super PAC.


    The New York real estate magnate and his allies have touted his campaign's frugality, saying it is evidence of his management skills. His campaign's spending has totaled $89.5 million so far, about a third of what Democratic rival Hillary Clinton's campaign has spent.



    But not compensating top people in a presidential campaign is a departure from campaign finance norms.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKCN1181CV

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    Ready4Hillary: Hillary that’s a good thing all the news is Donald Trump lighting kittens on fire and promising child care that doesn’t exist


    Hillary: is that really true? I’ve been reading the internet it seems like half the internet thinks that Donald Trump is lighting kittens on fire all the time and the other half thinks that he is right all the time and I am murdering american heroes with a trident


    Ready4Hillary: specifically a trident? that’s weird is this Breitbart


    Hillary: I would email you a link except I’m trying never to send anyone any emails ever again for any reason just to be safe this time all my emails are snapchats now I can snapchat you a link I can verbally read you a link over a secure telephone line h t t p shift backslash double u


    Ready4hillary: no, it’s OK, thanks.


    Hillary: I just wonder — should I do more?


    Ready4Hillary: Trust me. No. Just do your debate prep in case he actually shows, tweet a little and keep focusing on Not Being Donald Trump. You’re so good at that. You’ve done that all your life. You could do it in your sleep. It’s what America wants from you.


    Hillary: You think so?


    Ready4Hillary: Think of it this way. If you asked someone, “Would you like to climb into an old scow full of garbage?” most people would say “No.” But if you say, “Would you like to be saved at any cost from the apocalyptic flood that is rising to destroy your city?” most people would say “Yes.” The trick is to focus on the second thing and not be too specific about the first thing. OK?


    Hillary: am I the garbage scow in that analogy?


    Ready4Hillary: the point is, less is more. OK?

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...815-story.html

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    Trump gave his much-awaited Immigration speech last night. I’ll let the fact-checkers tell you how much of it was based on reality. That’s not my department. I will focus on how persuasive it was, not the politics.

    Trump needed to undo the persuasion that Clinton’s side has been laying on the public for months. Specifically, Trump needed to demonstrate that he is…

    1. Not crazy.

    2. Not uninformed.

    3. Not the wrong temperament to lead.

    4. Not scary.

    5. Not racist.

    By my scorecard, Trump achieved all five objectives in the eyes and of his core supporters, and 3-out-of-5 with his opponents. I’ll break it down.

    Not Crazy

    Trump’s speech did a solid job of connecting the faces of victims to his plan to control the borders. He also made a good argument for protecting jobs. And his call for a wall – which people now understand might include some digital solutions – is sounding expensive but doable. The fact-checkers will, I assume, go crazy on the details of the speech, but from a persuasion perspective, it all made sense. There was no sign of any literal craziness in the speech. That’s a big deal. People needed to see Trump acting not-crazy, and he succeeded. You can hate every part of his immigration plan, but as of today, none of it is irrational or impossible. Trump sold the public on*“not crazy.”

    Not Uninformed

    Trump gave more details on the various components of immigration than I expected to hear. His ten-point plan seemed designed to show his mastery of the details and the specifics of his policies. Generally-speaking, one never wants to have ten points in any presentation. That’s far too much for the audience to digest. The exception is when you are trying to demonstrate the depth of your knowledge. Trump demonstrated presidential-level depth on the topic. He isn’t an expert, but he knows where all the moving parts are. On this key topic, Trump convinced the viewing public that he is informed.*

    Not the Wrong Temperament to Lead

    Trump’s tone for the speech was strident and powerful. But he never frothed at the mouth, and he never spoke from anger. His emotional center for this speech was concern for legal Americans – especially African-Americans – and concern for the immigrants who are victimized trying to get here. Trump’s empathy was largely neutralized by his tone, and by his hard-core policy details, but he did not look like a “hot head” with the wrong temperament. It seemed controlled. I score this a success, but barely.*

    Not Scary

    Trump was scary enough for his core voters, which they interpret as strength and resolve. But as usual, Trump’s tone and his policy details are too scary for many voters on the left. Trump did not make the sale on this dimension, but I’ll tell you later in this post why that was intentional. (It will be obvious after I tell you.)

    Not Racist

    Trump did a solid job of making the case that his policies are about border control and security, not racism. But facts and logic are not persuasive. Judged by itself, the speech was not persuasive on this dimension. The tone and content provide enough fodder for opponents to form confirmation bias, as they have been all along.

    But as luck would have it, Trump met with the president of Mexico that same day, and the two of them got along fine. It seemed clear that the president of Mexico was not treating Trump as a racist. In fact, the President of Mexico even agreed that border control is necessary to reduce victimization of the illegals themselves. If you combine the optics of Trump’s successful trip to Mexico with his strident and scary-sounding speech, it was probably a breakeven situation on the racism dimension. Trump didn’t seem racist yesterday, but it wasn’t enough to move the needle on its own. I score his effort on this dimension a solid attempt, but not terribly persuasive to his haters. However, if Trump stays on message as well as he did during the speech and the Mexico trip, he has a good chance of making progress on this dimension.

    Now let’s talk about Trump’s plan itself.

    Persuasion is Part of the Plan

    Trump’s approach to immigration is to make border control a priority over deportation. And a big part of that plan involves persuasion. In order to convince would-be illegal immigrants to stay in their own country, you have to make it look like a bad deal to come to America illegally, which is not the case right now. In other words, Trump is focusing on persuasion – the area he knows best.

    Realistically, you can’t control the borders with any kind of barrier if the rewards for entering the country illegally are high enough. But if you keep the rewards low, your wall has a good chance of working. Trump knows construction and he knows persuasion. He intelligently combined those talents to create his wall plan.

    The problem for Trump – and for the country – is that being hardasses to illegal immigrants violates our national character. These folks are our friends, neighbors, and coworkers. We don’t wish them harm on an individual level. So how can Trump create an immigration policy that addresses the legitimate need for border control with our human need to be kind? It can’t be done.

    Unless you are a Master Persuader. Then it’s easy.

    Trump needed to soften his immigration stance to sell it to undecided voters while at the same time hardening it for his core supporters. To succeed, he needed to move in two opposite directions at once. Impossible.

    So what he did was create a speech that was hardcore and scary in tone and delivery, while leaving an escape hatch in language. In other words, he gave you two opposite and competing messages at the same time. He sent a message of hardening with his tone while sending a message of softening with his words. Pick the one you like.

    Trump’s policy softening came to us in the word*“priorities.” Trump made it clear that his top priorities for deportation were the*“criminal aliens” and the ones who are taking advantage of our social services without adding much to the country.*

    Trump didn’t mention anything about increasing the budget for deportation. Combine the word “priorities” with an unchanged budget and you get a situation much like today, where the illegal immigrants who are minding their own business and contributing to the country probably get to stay.

    The biggest difference between Trump’s plan and Clinton/Obama’s plan is that Trump added persuasion. The*“good” illegal immigrants get to stay under either plan – probably – but under Trump’s plan they have to stay here scared and unrewarded. They get no (direct) path to citizenship and no guarantee of staying in the country. In order to discourage new illegal immigration, Trump proposes to keep the good people who are already here in a state of unrewarded worry.

    In practical terms, Trump is using persuasion to help seal the border. And given human nature, that feels necessary. People try what they think will work, not what they think will fail.

    To put it another way, Trump is shifting the burden of border control from legal American citizens to illegal immigrants, including the*“good” ones we might want as our neighbors and friends. You might not like that arrangement, but it isn’t crazy. And it applies an emotional*“penalty” to people living here illegally.

    The big question for voters is whether Trump’s notion of*“priorities,” combined with the reality of budget limits, and the sheer number of illegal immigrants in this country, gets you to a place where the*“good” illegal immigrants are likely to be left alone. Trump signalled that this would be the case – maybe – because those decisions would be deferred until the border is secure. That will take years.

    And once the border is physically secure, you can back off on the persuasion angle a little. That means the path will someday be clear – maybe in ten years – to revisit the status of illegals who have been good Americans in spirit.

    And that’s how a Master Persuader runs in two directions at the same time. It was masterfully done. I give Trump’s speech an A+ for persuasion. Trump won the week. His poll numbers should move up again next week.

    Also, Trump stuck the landing by engineering what I call the reverse-Khan. He surrounded himself with the families of victims of illegal immigrants so that any criticism of his policies will feel uncomfortably close to insulting those grieving families.*

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    Spending 2/3s less, all the media against him and almost tied how does he do it?


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    Spending 2/3s less, all the media against him and almost tied how does he do it?

    Doesn't Trump want to censor the media and sue them for libel? Taste of his own medicine.

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