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    Here are the media curves breakdowns

    http://mediacurves.com/

    Independents side more with Obama on EVERY issue listed and side with him as the debate winner as well.

    I'm not sure the accuracy on how this is.

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    Dayum. CNN polls show people think Obama won by a substantial margin. They are democrat leaning according to CNN.

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    CNN polls are being released right now.

    58-37 of debate watchers feel Obama won.

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    [BRhornets45]
    sons, that is only because republicans are out getting laid tonight while lib s sit home and jacked off to the messiah [/BRhornets45]

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    Well, don't leave us in suspense...what'd he say?
    He said that he and McCain don't always agree on issues, but McCain was right in what he said.

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    Biden is on MSNBC.

    When can I expect Palin to be on ing FOX?!
    From the local Fox affiliate in Philly:



    Very vice presidential.

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    Dayum. CNN polls show people think Obama won by a substantial margin. They are democrat leaning apparently.
    Its debate watchers and I'm not sure how its broken down by party affiliation. We'll have to see so we can put it in a better context.

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    He said that he and McCain don't always agree on issues, but McCain was right in what he said.
    No, that was from his press release that was issued AFTER the debate. CNN showed the video of him discussing Iran before the debate.

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    He said talks should begin at the highest level. I assume that means presidents. It was not the entire clip of him so I couldn't really gauge it.
    Okay...well, levels is plural and we only have one President.

    But, fair enough...he is hard to understand sometimes.

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    Hannity: "Everything Senator Obama mentioned, it all seemed like book knowledge."
    ing wow.

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    What Kissinger said
    Posted by Ilan Goldenberg

    Pretty simple:

    Kissinger: "Well, I am in favor of negotiating with Iran. And one utility of negotiation is to put before Iran our vision of a Middle East, of a stable Middle East, and our notion on nuclear proliferation at a high enough level so that they have to study it. And, therefore, I actually have preferred doing it at the secretary of state level so that we -- we know we're dealing with authentic..." Sesno: "Put at a very high level right out of the box?" Kissinger: "Initially, yes. And I always believed that the best way to begin a negotiation is to tell the other side exactly what you have in mind and what you are -- what the outcome is that you're trying to achieve so that they have something that they can react to. Now, the permanent members of the Security Council, plus Japan and Germany, have all said nuclear weapons in Iran are unacceptable. They've never explained what they mean by this. So if we go into a negotiation, we ought to have a clear understanding of what is it we're trying to prevent. What is it going to do if we can't achieve what we're talking about? But I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations. We ought, however, to be very clear about the content of negotiations and work it out with other countries and with our own government." (CNN's "Live Event," 9/20/08)

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    What Kissinger said
    Posted by Ilan Goldenberg

    Pretty simple:

    Kissinger: "Well, I am in favor of negotiating with Iran. And one utility of negotiation is to put before Iran our vision of a Middle East, of a stable Middle East, and our notion on nuclear proliferation at a high enough level so that they have to study it. And, therefore, I actually have preferred doing it at the secretary of state level so that we -- we know we're dealing with authentic..." Sesno: "Put at a very high level right out of the box?" Kissinger: "Initially, yes. And I always believed that the best way to begin a negotiation is to tell the other side exactly what you have in mind and what you are -- what the outcome is that you're trying to achieve so that they have something that they can react to. Now, the permanent members of the Security Council, plus Japan and Germany, have all said nuclear weapons in Iran are unacceptable. They've never explained what they mean by this. So if we go into a negotiation, we ought to have a clear understanding of what is it we're trying to prevent. What is it going to do if we can't achieve what we're talking about? But I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations. We ought, however, to be very clear about the content of negotiations and work it out with other countries and with our own government." (CNN's "Live Event," 9/20/08)
    Looks like I was wrong. He never actually said "highest".

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    CNN polls are being released right now.

    58-37 of debate watchers feel Obama won.
    Coming soon: FOX poll where 75-17 of debate watchers feel McCain won.

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    So, Shastafarian lied to me?

    Wow, who woulda thunk it.

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    On CNN, the commentators just said "polls on all the networks say Obama won substantially."

    You can't trust internet polls though because they are made up of a younger more tech-savy demographic.

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    Hannity: "Everything Senator Obama mentioned, it all seemed like book knowledge."
    He just expounded further on this - he means that it seemed Obama was just repeating facts and didn't have any real experiences like McCain.

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    So, Shastafarian lied to me?

    Wow, who woulda thunk it.
    Gimme a break it was a clip on CNN. They only played part of it and I thought he said highest.

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    I'm not sure how reliable the Media Curves info is, but the CNN and CBS polls should be considered fairly reliable and those 2 have Obama winning this debate.

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    On CNN, the commentators just said "polls on all the networks say Obama won substantially."

    You can't trust internet polls though because they are made up of a younger more tech-savy demographic.
    There are actual non internets polls coming in now.

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    On CNN, the commentators just said "polls on all the networks say Obama won substantially."

    You can't trust internet polls though because they are made up of a younger more tech-savy demographic.
    They said IF, not that they say Obama won. I've only seen the CBS poll and the CNN poll so far. I want to see the internals if possible before declaring them "the law" though.

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    But I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations.
    He did say this.

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    According to fivethirtyeight.com 2 more focus groups went to Obama as well, but no info further than that.

    So far all public opinion information is favorable for Obama.

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    What did he say about tables?

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    They said IF, not that they say Obama won. I've only seen the CBS poll and the CNN poll so far. I want to see the internals if possible before declaring them "the law" though.
    My mistake. I was flipping back and forth between CNN and Real Time on HBO.

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    CNN focus group.....

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