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So you're a complete and utter re ed dumbass. Cool.
No Hakeem would not on prime Kareem. But both prime Hakeem/Kareem would all over Duncan. That one, history knows for sure.
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I don't know if you have NBA TV or the internet in Pakistan, or if your Purple and Gold glasses have a special anti-truth firewall, but it's possible to watch prime Kareem in 2010
So you're a complete and utter re ed dumbass. Cool.
No Hakeem would not on prime Kareem. But both prime Hakeem/Kareem would all over Duncan. That one, history knows for sure.
32-34 year old Duncan getting on by Pau Gasol
Oh snap. Duncan is only 33?
I agreeSo you're a complete and utter re ed dumbass. Cool.
No Hakeem would not on prime Kareem. But both prime Hakeem/Kareem would all over Duncan. That one, history knows for sure.
I wonder if Pop would have called Pau the most skilled big man in the league if Kareem and the Dream played in this era.
Maybe he would have called him the most skilled PF
In today's NBA, big men are hybrid
Back in the days, it was C and PF (although Hakeem was versatile enough to play at both positions)
No Duncan is not a hybrid. He's a center.
Pau actually plays some power forward these days. Duncan doesn't. Bonner at center
He is a PF who has been forced to play C and PF after Robinson leftNo Duncan is not a hybrid. He's a center.
Pau actually plays some power forward these days. Duncan doesn't. Bonner at center
He's a center just like he was in college forced to start at PF because Robinson was on the team.
Duncan has always played like a center. Because that is what he is.
Wow
Lulwhat?
So did Karl Malone. Who cares?
Idiot. Just like the most dominant center of all time did, right?So you're a complete and utter re ed dumbass. Cool.
No Hakeem would not on prime Kareem. But both prime Hakeem/Kareem would all over Duncan. That one, history knows for sure.
So the most prolific shot blocker in NBA history has no shot at blocking Kareem's sky hook...even in his prime? RiiigghhttHakeem had a ridiculous vertical in his prime...if he timed it right (like he did soo many times to become the NBA's all time shot blocker), guess what...he can block that shot.
I'm not saying he'd block Kareem's every attempt or even " on him" (because the all time greats don't get on in their prime...just like Olajuwon wouldn't get " on" in his prime), be he did have the ability to block that shot.
I got something to say on this one.....
I grew up in Houston and watched the Rockets play daily when Dream was in his prime. I have lived in San Antonio, and watch the Spurs play daily, when Duncan was in his prime. They are both legit first ballot Hall of Fame players.
To put the numbers into perspective, Duncan is a Center, dominating the PF position. He get his numbers against the likes of Chuck Hayes and Michael Beasley.
Hakeem was a PF, dominating the Center position against much bigger players. Duncan, Ewing, Shaq, Robinson, Kareem, Parish... all bigger than Hakeem.
Dream would win this matchup on quickness and atheleticism alone. He had the quickness and range of a SF, and hops like Dwight Howard! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKS_9FpBLhM) I'm not making this up! Everyone immediately thinks of the Dream Shake and fadeaway as Hakeem's only move. He often went to the rack with bad intentions. On defense, Duncan blocks shots at their highest point. Dream swatted shots to half court or into the stands!
Stats? Hakeem Olajuwon is the only player in NBA history to post 2 quadruple doubles! Also, he is the ONLY player in NBA history at any position to be top ten all time in 3 major statistical categories! (8th all time in steals, yes steals as a center, 8th all time in scoring, and 1st all time in blocks). He is 11th all time in rebounds, and based on his career average, he would be 10th had he played just 1 more game.
Hakeem could go through, over, or around any 7-footer. One of the most unstoppable big men ever. In a hypothetical matchup, dream would stick Duncan on defense. Pop wouldn't think of putting Duncan on Dream, because he would foul out.
Not to sound biased, but Duncan vs Dream is NO comparison. Duncan vs Yao, Duncan wins hands down!
No doubt he would.
Dream Shake aside.... Hakeem was a SICK shot blocker! More intimidating than Dwight Howard! Dikembe Mutombo with ball handling skills, footwork, hops, and a jumper!
Hakeem may be the most creative low post player in history, man I miss watching that guy.
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Just saw Olaujuwon lose to a bunch of Joes on the show Joes vs Pros. Even though he is old you can see by watching that game how much he did rely on his athletic ability to score on guys because during the game he got stripped a bunch of times since he couldn't move fast enough to avoid it. One thing that was funny to watch was seeing him post up Mcnabb, Owens, and Gates. None of those guys could check him in the paint. Another thing I observed is Olaujuwon relied heavily on this athletic ability to play defense because during the game he could not block any of those 3 guys his timing was always way off. I think if you have a 40 year old Duncan vs those guys they lose mainly because Tim's game is not way off of what it used to be since he doesn't rely heavily on athleticism like Dream did. I know that was off subject just wanted to bring that up.
Great observations.
50 year old Hakeem loses to 50 year old Duncan. When they start the senior tour I'll keep this in mind for gambling purposes.
That's fine. if he wouldn't fall for the fakes Dream would just cross over, go around him, and dunk on the entire city of san Antonio. Duncan "Better" jump.
((((LOL))))) Pull him away from the paint and then what? Hakeem is arguably the best perimeter defender amond centers in NBA history. He has more career steals than any SF, SG, or C in NBA history. He ranks 8th all time among players at ANY position, guards included. I have seen him step out on the pick and roll and absolutely pick point guards clean.
Duncan has better range and overall offensive skillset than any of the legends Hakeem faced? Hakeem had better range and overall offensive skill set than any of these legends too. Hakeem had better range and a better overall offensive skillset than Duncan too. I can see Dream stopping Duncan on the perimeter, maybe not so much so on the block because Duncan is bigger/wider. Dream had the lateral quickness to stay with Duncan on the perimeter. Duncan can post up quicker players like Garnett and Amare, and he can go around bigger players like Yao and dwight howard. Imagine Garnet in Dright Howards body though.
What would be more interesting would be Duncan trying to guard Dream on the perimeter. DRobinson was BY FAR a quicker and better perimeter defender than Duncan. It wouldn't end well.
Too bad these numnuts didn't get to see Hakeem play...the guy was the Michelangelo of Bigmen...Duncan shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Hakeem...it would have been a slaughter....It's no surprise that MJ picked --> Hakeem along with himself, Magic, Bird, Pippen, as his all-time team. It's no surprise that Kobe went to Hakeem to learn post moves.....Hakeem was probably the most polished offensive big man to ever play the game. He had the best, or second best, post game out of any player the NBA has seen. He was as agile as a guard and could step outside of the paint and shoot jumpers like a guard.... The Dream Shake is legendary. So many post moves. Hooks with both hands, turnaround jumpers, up and unders, spins etc... You name a post move and Dream could pull it off with ease. Pretty much every move was with such grace and skill. He did all of this offensively and was still a defensive beast being the NBA's all time leading shot blocker.
Check out this vid...I've never seen any one player get his ass beat this bad...this was by far the best play-off performance I've seen. Duncan is just lucky his name isn't Robinson the results would have been the same:
Goddamn you're ty. Read through the thread, that video has been posted like 9 times and the arguments you're making have been made like 400 times over.
It's Koolaid_Man.
I have to commend him somewhat on this post, however. He did manage to get through it without one sexual reference or symbolic gesture.
That's rare for him, since he always seems to have on his mind.
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