Herro, 23 and can hit the 3! I think he would fit right in
If the Spurs actually wanted Herro the deal would probably already be done.
I agree with this, those Jaime Jaquez complicates things slightly. If he’s part of the deal, it can’t go down for a few more weeks.
But like I said… I don’t think we are actually in play for Herro, which no one should lose any sleep over (including those of us who think he’d be a good addition, like me).
Good point about Jacquez. Him, Jovic, Herro (to the extent a team views him as a positive), 2028/2030 unprotected firsts, and 2024/2027/2029 unprotected swaps are the only assets Miami has to offer. If the Heat can talk the Thunder into removing the protection on the 2025 pick (maybe throw them a second?), they could instead trade 2027/2029 unprotected firsts and 2024/2026/2028/2030 unprotected swaps instead.
Sending out only Lowry and Robinson makes salaries match, but the Heat just don't plain have enough assets to dump Robinson and acquire Lilliard unless some other team out there actually wants Herro. To me, Herro is a league average scorer that only put up his numbers due to high usage.
The 2025 pick is going from Miami to OKC, so Miami can remove it at their discretion. It’s their protection, not OKCs.
If the Spurs weren't actively involved in trade talks they would finalize their summer signings and afaik they haven't.
Those hypothetical trade talks don't have to be Portland related. It's possible that someone wants our ending contracts, and it may be one of the Portland deal parties, but there is already an extreme shortage of picks available in the deal, and we aren't selling cap space for free.
The Spurs don't close doors until they have to. Even if they're not actively in talks rn, they're not going to waive anyone until they have to. They'll keep those ending contracts available up to the last minute, just in case.
they did finalize champagnie fwiw
its Tre and Mamu who have not been formalized yet
Tre's cap hold pending the finalization of his contract is about 5.2 mil. barlow is at 1.8 right now. mamu is 2.2 so collectively, those 3 guys add up to about 9.2 mil
the spurs actual contracts + the primo dead cap hit add up to about 118.5 mil. if you add those cap holds, you are at 127.7. with the cap being at roughly 136, we have about 8.3 mil or so in cap space. ive rounded off all the numbers to this point, but thats a solid approximation
im also not completely clear on Lamar Stevens' contract. my understanding is that it is non-guaratneed, meaning we could clear about 1.9 by waiving him, but im not 100% as to that. hypothetically would get us to about 10.2 in space to make additional moves if that indeed is the case. trey/mamu and even potentially barlow could be signed above the cap via bird rights
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Tre's caphold can be dropped to a much lower amount by pulling his QO. Although Chinook mentioned there was a deadline for that and I don't remember what it is.
im not sure if we would retain bird rights or not by pulling his QO. i think we would still have them, the QO should just change his status from RFA to UFA. different step than renouncing him. but yeah thats interesting.
if we do get involved in one of the big rumored trades, whether it be lillard/harden/siakam, we dont necessarily have to absorb entire contracts the way we did with cedi/bullock either. we can still send back some salary. obviously would devalue the trade compensation we'd expect, but noteworthy nevertheless.
apparently miami wants to get a 2025 FRP for Herro, because it would free up their ability to move their 2024 and 2026 picks as part of a lillard deal. right now because they dont own their 2025 pick, they can only offer 2027 and 2029 (or 2028 and 2030)... if they get a 2025 first, they can give the 24/26/28/30
That's not the same thing though. They may be involved in trade talks with whomever, not necessarily Miami/Portland. And even if they are, they may be interested in some other piece or asset, not necessarily Herro.
Right, there are still a lot of teams sitting above certain tax levels, the Harden situation hasn't been resolved. It's very unlikely the Spurs are involved in the Lillard trade if they don't want Herro since they're looking for draft assets and there are none to be had there. Although I can see a consolidation trade of guys-for-Kyle-Lowry maybe.
If Spurs haven't signed Tre Jones, it's likely because they have some trade talks with other teams. After the Bullock trade, there was a report about Spurs still willing to take contracts for draft picks:
I doubt it's linked to a potential Lillard trade. The Lillard trade could take weeks/months to be completed and Spurs won't ask Tre Jones to remain unsigned for that long. There are some rumors about Phoenix salary dumping Cameron Payne, it could be a trade like Payne and a second for Spurs' cap space.San Antonio remains open to taking on unwanted contracts around the league in exchange for draft pick compensation, league sources told HoopsHype.
No, it doesn't limit it to Hero but knowing they're active in negotiations does mean Hero is more likely than it otherwise would be.
It all depends on how they value him which none of us know.
If the valued him, at all, he’d be here already. They’re literally looking for one FRP.
If they were going to trade him straight up for one frp they would have done it by now. We know there are plenty of teams who would do that deal today. They likey need to fold it into the larger deal due to salary matching consideration since they are over the cap and Lillard's deal is massive.
That's what i thought as well, but this morning, I woke up and read that Miami hasn't put their best assets on the table to Portland for Lillard because no one is bidding against them. If that's true it does have implications for what we may or may not be interested in.
from what has been reported prior they told Portland take whoever you want except for Jimmy and Bam. They offered the entire roster except those 2.
https://twitter.com/esidery/status/1...19YBtCJLQ&s=19
Here Woj says Miami isn't in a hurry to get this deal done and put all their chips on the table because no one is bidding against them.
Any deal for Lillard almost certainly involves Hero because both his value and his contract. He may be rerouted but I have a hard time seeing how you realistically make the salaries work without him.
is port also moving their starting c?
spurs need a starting c and pg...if we are involve, we need 1 of the 2 pieces and draft picks to bail out both teams to get that trade done..or else the spurms aint doing anyone favors
We don’t want the contract Nurkic is on.
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