Chris Paul signs with the Spurs

[cutewizard]

[ambchang]

Somewhat relevant, article about stocktons assist padding:
https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nba/...ee6b45d46c84fd

So the assertion is that there is padding for Stockton, but so did the padding took place for Paul and kidd.

I think some of that is due to the Scott skiles 30 assists game, where the score keeper was actually doing it out of spite but was actually praised by management for it. The story went out and people thinks that’s the case for every game during that era.

Stocktons passes were often simple post entry passes to Malone or pick and roll passes. They weren’t necessarily flashy like magics but they were effective. I still thinks he orchestrated that jazz offence and Malone was the finisher. You can sub Malone out for a Barkley, Ewing, robinson, kemp, hakeem, moses or even a lower level player like mings (pre injury) or buck williams and the jazz offence would be more of less the same. But I can’t think of a single player you can sub for Stockton in that offence during that era. I’d say Paul would be the only person who can subs ute for Stockton in the history of the league.

That said, he’s still a dirty conspiracy nutcase.

[quentin_compson]

I remember when CP3 was still with the New Orleans Hornets, quite a lot of people would complain about the, let's say, liberal way the score-keepers there would count his assists. "Paul just has to be near the play and he gets an assist", to exaggerate a common comment back in the day.

[LeBowen]

Assist have always been generously handed out in the NBA.
I'd never count an assist for anything more than one dribble unless it's a straight line drive to the basket and the pass connected the receiver with it.

[Obstructed_View]

Assist have always been generously handed out in the NBA.
I'd never count an assist for anything more than one dribble unless it's a straight line drive to the basket and the pass connected the receiver with it.

No they haven't. Last week I watched Victor kick out to Devin, who made an escape dribble and stepped to the left, took a three, hit it, and was Victor's tenth assist. Nobody said boo. In the old days that doesn't go down as an assist. Based on just that, I'm pretty certain that CP3 benefitted more than Stock just for playing in this era.

Even the most egregious homer Stockton assist in SLC would be counted today without a problem.

[spurraider21]

No they haven't. Last week I watched Victor kick out to Devin, who made an escape dribble and stepped to the left, took a three, hit it, and was Victor's tenth assist. Nobody said boo. In the old days that doesn't go down as an assist. Based on just that, I'm pretty certain that CP3 benefitted more than Stock just for playing in this era.

Even the most egregious homer Stockton assist in SLC would be counted today without a problem.

wait this one at 1:39?

its a skip pass over a defenders head to an open vassell while his defender is pinned behind a keldon screen. derozan has to close out hard which allowed vassell to just relocate and get the shot off. derozan made a nice recovery since devin didnt put up a pump, but thats an easy assist call

[Obstructed_View]

wait this one at 1:39?

its a skip pass over a defenders head to an open vassell while his defender is pinned behind a keldon screen. derozan has to close out hard which allowed vassell to just relocate and get the shot off. derozan made a nice recovery since devin didnt put up a pump, but thats an easy assist call

Yes. Nice job on finding it. That's an easy assist call today. 30 years ago it was not. Maybe I remember wrong, but I watched a lot of basketball back then. The ones people accused Utah of giving Stockton at home were less egregious than the example above IIRC.

[exstatic]

No they haven't. Last week I watched Victor kick out to Devin, who made an escape dribble and stepped to the left, took a three, hit it, and was Victor's tenth assist. Nobody said boo. In the old days that doesn't go down as an assist. Based on just that, I'm pretty certain that CP3 benefitted more than Stock just for playing in this era.

Even the most egregious homer Stockton assist in SLC would be counted today without a problem.

The rule is that you can take either a power or an escape dribble as long as you immediately move into a scoring position, and it’s still an assist. The converse, receiving a direct pass, no dribble, but you hold the ball for 3-4 seconds is NOT a credited assist. What people are laughing about is that back in the day, MJ was once credited with more steals than the other team had turnovers. There was little oversight or review in the old days. The joke used to be that Stockton got assists on his teammates FTs. I’m sure it never happened, but I’m also sure the Salt Palace scorers were encouraged to make anything borderline an assist.

[spurraider21]

Yes. Nice job on finding it. That's an easy assist call today. 30 years ago it was not. Maybe I remember wrong, but I watched a lot of basketball back then. The ones people accused Utah of giving Stockton at home were less egregious than the example above IIRC.

i dont think theres any era where that wouldnt have been an assist tbh

[LeBowen]

Guitar Hero during 2008 series.

[spursistan]

That trade deadline is going to be interesting.. CP3 seems really invested in this group.

[slick'81]

Cp3 isnt going anywhere

[T Park]

Paul has been fantastic and his influence tremendous. Why at all would you or anyone else even consider trading him?!!

[John B]

That trade deadline is going to be interesting.. CP3 seems really invested in this group.

Last night’s game I think featured the Spurs best starters and rotation to win. Is the Spurs already done with rebuilding young players in favor of winning? At least Castle was able to log in 20 minutes of backup duties. It seems CP3 is influencing the FO to win now. If so, are we to expect some movements by trade deadline to add maybe veteran pieces to fortify the rotation? If so Collins could be on the move for a Valanciunas maybe?

[The Truth #6]

No, I think Mitch is prioritizing winning lineups because he understandably realizes this is his moment of opportunity while Pop is out. I don't see any push to make big trades.

[Ocotillo]

Spurs need to get Fiesta on board advertising.

[scott]

CP3 been passing at an elite level this season, at age 39.

[cutewizard]

[CGD]

Cp3 isnt going anywhere

I think at the start of the season he may have been eying a possible buy out to join a contender, but that seems less likely now. He seems to like this group.

For the record I still find it super weird that he’s in a Spurs uniform after all the wars, but im glad he’s here.

[The Truth #6]

He's mellowed with age, thankfully. Less whirling dervish flops and stealthy nut punches, et cetera.

[Strategic]

He's mellowed with age, thankfully. Less whirling dervish flops and stealthy nut punches, et cetera.

Probably easier on his body just staying on his feet.

[Manu-of-steel]

Spurs really needed his IQ,veteran leadership, and winning at ude.

[Mr. Body]

No, I think Mitch is prioritizing winning lineups because he understandably realizes this is his moment of opportunity while Pop is out. I don't see any push to make big trades.

You think he's going rogue and trying to win games on the sly? Lol

[The Truth #6]

You think he's going rogue and trying to win games on the sly? Lol

You think he's going rogue and trying to win games on the sly? Lol

More urgency to win is what I would say as it affects his career potentially. Pop in contrast has complete la ude to play the long game.

[spurraider21]

pretty funny that 33 games in, Paul and Barnes are the only 2 guys that have started all 33 games, with Champagnie being the only player to suit up for all 33 games (has come off the bench some)