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How old are you? Are you like 8 years old or something?
Last edited by hegamboa; 06-23-2006 at 05:00 PM.
I have no choice or mind of my own in your reality.
Because I know I honestly do not believe in your christian god and I think your christian god has been dead for a long time now.
But to you, my final judgement depends on whether I accept your christian god or not.
If I do, I will be spared .
If I don't, I will go to .
To you, I have no choice. Any rational being would choose heaven over .
But to me, Jesus would die of sadness if he saw the state of his religion today, and people who are overzealous (and i stress this word) practicers of this sham faith are no better than the common gutter punk.
Believe what you wanna believe, practice what you wanna practice, but keep it the outta other people's way. When you try to mix your crock belief with science, then you step on way too many toes. Nothing in science says this person or that person will go to " " for not beleiving in this or that theory. It's an entirely different sphere from religion. Only idiots and warmongers try to combine them.
Do you actually believe intelligent design will be widely accepted?
Kudos if you do. Ignorance is bliss.
Preach it brother! ...of course you are one of the "true" Christians right?
And SA210, doesn't it just bother you to no end when some who think of themselves as "true Christians" drop F Bombs left and right during Spurs playoff game threads (squirming?) and then act all self righteous in the other forums...?
Moral? Remove the plank from your own eye and then you can see clearly to help your brother remove the splinter from his. There is no perfect man so stop the sanctimonious blathering when people don't agree with your interpretation of God's Word.
For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God.
Last edited by jochhejaam; 06-23-2006 at 05:22 PM.
I'm not getting in your life... I've always said you're free to do as you wish...
I know it burns people to know that the creeds of my beliefs denounce what they do... but frankly, that is between them and GOD despite their incredulence.
I don't denounce you... otherwise I would be a judge... which I'm not.
That the Bible denounces people is another thing altogether...
And yes, Jesus would be sad at the state of His church... but not for the reasons you stated.
The path to GOD is narrow, and available to anyone and everyone... it is exclusive however. But that's not me saying it. It is written as such.
NO, nor do I hinge my existence on convincing the world that it does.
And can also be a downfall.
Can't be Faded,
If GOd doesnt exist, then hegamboa's faith should not cause you to fear eternal damnation.
No one is sending you to . Quit playing the victim, and grow up. No one hear has any sympathy for you.
but that is my point, i AM NOT free to do as i wish, according to you.
You, stout, other christians have all damned me already for saying god is dead.
If god is not dead, then according to you, the only way to avoid damnation is by accepting his presence and following his dogma.
Yet, any non-insane human being would choose heaven over as described by the bible.
So, am I, as a non christian, really free to do what I want, in your mind?
Yes, insofar as I am insane enough to want to suffer eternal fire.
But no, insofar as I am a decently sane person.
Do what you want. What I believe is irrelevant to what you will do... you know that, I know that. So don't pretend to be traumatized by what I believe.
Quantum mechanics doesn't mean what you think it means.
I'm a Christian who accepts the theory of evolution. Do I go to Purgatory?
If you seriously think I've condemned you, you're either insecure, paranoid, or both. That you take outbursts like "you're going to I saaaiiiiddd" or the Monty Python skit so seriously and personally tells me that somewhere this is gnawing at you.
Nobody here has any power or authority to determine your afterlife.
However, it is a clear tenet of Christian doctrine, obviously delineated in the Bible, that any person who hears the gospel of Jesus Christ and rejects it will be separated from God for eternity.
That is not our opinion, that is not our personal judgment of you, that is not some battle cry which we're going to use to smite your throat, but it is the testimony of the Bible which we follow as the written word of God for the practice of our faith.
If you don't believe God exists, if you don't believe the Bible has anything other than anthropological and literary meaning, then none of that should bother you. If none of it is true, probably you should feel sorry for us for following a lie.
Jocc, I know you too have been guilty at throwing f bombs. Does the "wtf" smilie count, because you've used it. What does it stand for? Confusion yea, but it's an acronym for what exactly?
I'm glad you brought that up. Since that time in the playoff thread when I was emotional, find me throwing an f bomb and even before that in anything close to any regularity in my day to day posts. I'm a student of the Bible and learn more everyday from my mistakes. No squirming here. I can admit to when I act out of character or am rude. Pretty cheap if you ask me.
It's the ones who know they are doing wrong and continue it, and killing and the support of killing is a real bad one, believe Christ on that one.
I can apologize for my actions of using the f word, but I don't know what I would do if I had supported war and killing and lying in which most definitely Christ was against, no matter YOUR interpretation. I'm just very fortunate it wasn't murder to others that's in my heart.
However you continuously support lies and war while knowing the truth deep inside.
I see you took offense to the truth that I wrote and at the same time never denied the fact of what I said. Just because you get mad at me and pull a weak "cursing" card doesn't change that. What I said stands. "True" Christians do not support war and don't do the things that your administration practices.
It's not my interpretation Jocc, The Bible itself tells you not to kill, to make peace with your enemy and to turn the other cheek. There is no way to spin that really with any interpretation. That was Jesus.
Christ that is.
Last edited by SA210; 06-23-2006 at 08:47 PM.
I dont remmeber what you said at the time, i just thought u told me i was going to
But that response was at least coherent; hegamboa you are on notice
[QUOTE=SA210]If you put your cursor on the emoticon it says "smiconfused". If you want to equate that to dropping the F-Bomb that's fine by me.Jocc, I know you too have been guilty at throwing f bombs. Does the "wtf" smilie count, because you've used it. What does it stand for? Confusion yea, but it's an acronym for what exactly?
Yeah, I bet you are.I'm glad you brought that up.
When I get emotional I use the "smiconfused" emoticon.Since that time in the playoff thread when I was emotional, find me throwing an f bomb and even before that in anything close to any regularity in my day to day posts.
You admit to acting out of character then label being called on it a cheap shot and become defensive. Way to take it like a man.I'm a student of the Bible and learn more everyday from my mistakes. No squirming here. I can admit to when I act out of character or am rude. Pretty cheap if you ask me. Just because you get mad at me and pull a weak "cursing" card
And we're back to the same sanctimonious drivel that prompted my previous post.What I said stands. "True" Christians do not support war and don't do the things that your administration practices.
It's not my interpretation Jocc, The Bible itself tells you not to kill, to make peace with your enemy and to turn the other cheek. There is no way to spin that really with any interpretation. That was Jesus.
Christ that is.
Bottom line, I support the war on terrorism and you don't. We'll leave it at that.
Wow. Great logic here and insight into the truth. You have the ability to understand the true meaning of life with the complexities that surround and challenge it yet you put it all together anyways.
A matter of perspectives... I wish you no harm. Never have.I dont remmeber what you said at the time, i just thought u told me i was going to
But that response was at least coherent; hegamboa you are on notice
If you put your cursor on the emoticon it says "smiconfused". If you want to equate that to dropping the F-Bomb that's fine by me.
Yeah, I bet you are.
When I get emotional I use the "smiconfused" emoticon.
You admit to acting out of character then label being called on it a cheap shot and become defensive. Way to take it like a man.
And we're back to the same sanctimonious drivel that prompted my previous post. Bottom line, I support the war on terrorism and you don't. We'll leave it at that.<<< how would you type that in exactly?
And you did call someone a butthole,
I didn't get defensive by the way, I was simply pointing out that you did, at the truth I posted about "true" Christians. It obviously angered you that someone talked about the hypocrisy within the so called "Christian" right.
Bottom line is, you claim to be Christian, but admit to supporting a war, which by the way, Christ is against. It's sad to hear that you call Jesus' words drivel. That's the Christian spirit.
Peace.
Hey SA210, are you a prophet? Because you seem to speak for Christ a lot without providing any basis or justification from the Scriptures. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I just don't remember Jesus saying he was opposed to the War in Iraq anywhere in the Bible. It also seems that you are the holder of secret truths, since you and you alone seem fit to judge who are true Christians and who are not. And all based on posts on an internet message board no less. It's comforting to know that there is no need for God's final judgement since you have already separated the Wheat from the Tares.
I''ll repost this to give you some understanding of the difference in the wars of then and now.
In the bible,
God made war with the nations.
This was war by command. Nations were executed in righteous war by God, using the Isrealites. And the Last War will be the same.
Wars of today are Not made by God. We are NOT to start wars, finish them or be associated with them in anyway.
Simple, "You must not kill" . No exceptions. You can read I and II Kings and I and II Samuel to see the difference.
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Now is different.
Paul in Romans:
17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil... not "an eye for an eye", but "turn the other cheek", said Jesus.
19 Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: It is mine to avenge; I will repay, says the Lord. ("Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord", says in the King James Version).
20 On the contrary: If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
(Rom.12:17-21).
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I don't need to be a prophet Gerry, it's there in the scriptures.
Those are all nice scriptures, but what do they have to do with war? The first two verses address revenge; the third addresses compassion and the final one addresses evil in general. None of these verses directly or indirectly address waging war, self-defense or pacifism.
War should be the last resort. All other avenues should be pursued before going to war, because war a waste of human life.
Is that really what the US did when going to war with Iraq? (pursue all other avenues).
[QUOTE]I don't type it in the hit the emoticon and they probably were being a butthole. In retrospect I probably should have called them an anus.
And you did call someone a butthole,
The drivel came from you, if you want to twist that to putting in on Christ that's on you.I didn't get defensive by the way, I was simply pointing out that you did, at the truth I posted about "true" Christians. It obviously angered you that someone talked about the hypocrisy within the so called "Christian" right.
Bottom line is, you claim to be Christian, but admit to supporting a war, which by the way, Christ is against. It's sad to hear that you call Jesus' words drivel. That's the Christian spirit.
Peace.
No anger at all as you've stated you're position on God and war ad nauseam. The problem I have is when someone decides to fill for God by deciding which Christians are "true Christians" based on a narrow-minded interpretation of Scripture.
There are plenty of solid Christians around who if they held the same opinion as you and backed it up in an intelligent, spiritual manner would command a serious look by me into what they're saying. Sorry to say Brother but you don't fit that description.
Peace.
The Bible is not literally true
It's interesting that you can type all those words and make up things about me just so that people will view me a certain way, just because you know what the truth really is about war and killing, and afraid to admit it, and yet, after all your words, the Bible still says Do Not kill and to Love thy neighbor.I don't type it in the hit the emoticon and they probably were being a butthole. In retrospect I probably should have called them an anus.
The drivel came from you, if you want to twist that to putting in on Christ that's on you.
No anger at all as you've stated you're position on God and war ad nauseam. The problem I have is when someone decides to fill for God by deciding which Christians are "true Christians" based on a narrow-minded interpretation of Scripture.
There are plenty of solid Christians around who if they held the same opinion as you and backed it up in an intelligent, spiritual manner would command a serious look by me into what they're saying. Sorry to say Brother but you don't fit that description.
Peace.
That's what Jesus believed, and you called that drivel, because it's obvious that your political views come first before The Word. You and others have twisted the Word into fitting your political beliefs, to say that war is Just.
What can I bring up in a spiritual manner (in jocc's definition of spiritual manner) that you would agree with or take a look at? I've been nice in the past when I have raised this issue, you've just ignored it or spun it. I doubt that you would take it in and think about it. That would go against your political views. But it's nice to know that you would want people to believe otherwise and take the easy road and try and label me.
It's real easy to play the "do not judge" card. That would make it easy to avoid the subject, but yet, you judge democrats and people all the time, but I guess since this raises the issue of morality and what Jesus would do in times of war, I guess it's different.
Last edited by SA210; 06-24-2006 at 01:00 PM.
If god is alive why am I allowed to sin?
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