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    He just expounded further on this - he means that it seemed Obama was just repeating facts and didn't have any real experiences like McCain.
    Yes, much better to have the "experience" of taking a carefully choreographed flak jacket tour of Iraq or Afghanistan, than to actually to do any "book larnin" on the subject.

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    I'm not sure how reliable the Media Curves info is, but the CNN and CBS polls should be considered fairly reliable and those 2 have Obama winning this debate.
    Like Peabody said, internet polls are considerably a younger perspective.

    But if that actually is the ultimate conclusion the national perspective reaches, it would be a coup.

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    Coming soon: FOX poll where 75-17 of debate watchers feel McCain won.


    82-16

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    FOX poll

    82% McCain
    16% Obama
    1% Undecided

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    CNN focus group -

    "Not a game changing debate"

    "Voters disliked the angry rhetoric."

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    My mistake. I was flipping back and forth between CNN and Real Time on HBO.
    Was Real Time live? I was gonna watch it but I didn't see the live and he started talking about the couric interview and not the debate so I figured I'd just watch it later.

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    I'm not sure how reliable the Media Curves info is, but the CNN and CBS polls should be considered fairly reliable and those 2 have Obama winning this debate.
    Not necessarily because of the makeup of their audience. Hardly any conservative people watch CNN or CBS because of their obvious bias. However, I expect the Fox poll to show overwhelmingly that McCain won because that's where the conservatives are watching and voting.

    Bingo - Fox just released the first results of their poll

    82% say McCain won! About 50,000 votes cast so far.

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    FOX poll

    82% McCain
    16% Obama
    1% Undecided
    Seriously?

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    But he didn't say it in the context of the President meeting with them.

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    Not necessarily because of the makeup of their audience. Hardly any conservative people watch CNN or CBS because of their obvious bias. However, I expect the Fox poll to show overwhelmingly that McCain won because that's where the conservatives are watching and voting.

    Bingo - Fox just released the first results of their poll

    82% say McCain won! About 50,000 votes cast so far.
    There is great confusion here about internets polls and non internets polls.

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    You're surprised?

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    Not necessarily because of the makeup of their audience. Hardly any conservative people watch CNN or CBS because of their obvious bias. However, I expect the Fox poll to show overwhelmingly that McCain won because that's where the conservatives are watching and voting.

    Bingo - Fox just released the first results of their poll

    82% say McCain won! About 50,000 votes cast so far.
    CNN and CBS polls were not conducted on their viewers. The viewer base has nothing to do with it.

    If that Fox Poll has 50,000 votes its an internet poll and doesn't mean anything. The 2 polls I listed were actual reasearch telephone polls.

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    Was Real Time live? I was gonna watch it but I didn't see the live and he started talking about the couric interview and not the debate so I figured I'd just watch it later.
    Yeah, they have Ralph Nader on. They are talking about the debate.

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    Are you surprised? The Fox crowd is overwhelmingly neocon.

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    I would be incredibly suprised if a non internet poll should results anywhere near that.

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    "John your absolutely right" - Obama ...... that sums up his night. how many times has he agreed with McCain now! my count is at 8
    I thought it was Obama who's schooling McCain here?
    I'm confused

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    Yeah, they have Ralph Nader on. They are talking about the debate.
    Nader. I used to love him. I hate him now.

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    Glad I missed this stupid debate. seems like they didn't answer most questions. BS

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    But he didn't say it in the context of the President meeting with them.
    He didn't mention the word president at all. His response was ambiguous on what levels of the government he wanted exactly.

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    Not necessarily because of the makeup of their audience. Hardly any conservative people watch CNN or CBS because of their obvious bias. However, I expect the Fox poll to show overwhelmingly that McCain won because that's where the conservatives are watching and voting.

    Bingo - Fox just released the first results of their poll

    82% say McCain won! About 50,000 votes cast so far.

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    But he didn't say it in the context of the President meeting with them.
    When it comes to picking nits and over parsing statements, Bill Clinton has nothing on you.

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    I would be incredibly suprised if a non internet poll should results anywhere near that.
    It's a text message vote which I would assume is even less reliable.

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    He didn't mention the word president at all. His response was ambiguous on what levels of the government he wanted exactly.
    Uh, no.

    "I actually have preferred doing it at the secretary of state level"

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    Lame debate to be honest. Neither candidate did a good job of laying out their plan for the future of America, it was 2hrs of campaign sound bytes.

    The bottom line is McCain needed to win this debate decisively to take control of this election. He just didn't do it

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