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    The current 'god' construct would need to change radically to an empirical form. Atoms never had that problem.
    what is "the current 'god' construct" you are referring to?

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    Jesus christ can somebody move this thread to the Club. So much pointless banter.

    Nobody gives a I can promise you this.

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    what is "the current 'god' construct" you are referring to?
    the metaphysical one... creator of all, omnipresent, omnipotent, etc.

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    We're born agnostic.
    No, we are all born atheist. Nobody is born with the belief in a god. Period. That idea has to be planted in our heads.

    Atheism is the strong view that god doesn't exist.
    That's not what atheism is.

    Taking a strong view without proof means you take it on faith.
    Wrong. The lack of evidence is evidence in itself.

    If this whole time you were calling for agnosticism, then I could sympathize.
    Agnosticism is based on knowledge. Atheism is based on belief. One can be an agnostic and an atheist at the same time. They are not mutually exclusive.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism

    Like so many other people today, you don't know what you're talking about.

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    Jesus christ can somebody move this thread to the Club. So much pointless banter.

    Nobody gives a I can promise you this.
    LOL all the posts say otherwise ...
    You could just avoid this thread, no offense.
    I never get that you dont like something you ignore it or argue why it has no validity ...
    Requesting it moved or shutdown makes no sense when it's been the most active thread down here in weeks ...

    And is better than the Rapist vs. TOSB debates here lately ...

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    Atheists like to obscure the definition of their view to make it seem more reasonable. There are two strong views, theism and atheism, and then there's a sea of agnosticism and apathy. It'd be like if I tried to pretend like being a theist could mean that I just don't want to say for sure that a god DOESN'T exist. It would seem like a bad cop out. That's how I feel when atheists try to pull that stunt.
    stunt?

    I'd maintain that in a vacuum, it's possible to go through life without ever contemplating a higher power if you are never told to think about it, wherein no amount of faith is exercised in either direction.

    Label that how you want to.

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    the metaphysical one... creator of all, omnipresent, omnipotent, etc.
    not necessarily. As the Theory of Many Worlds is being worked on with help of quantum mechanics today. Who knows what future tools there will be to tackle those subjects you mention.

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    Jesus was not alive as a being on earth during the OT. Present evidence otherwise or go bother Koolaid Man.
    Please show me any scriptural evidence to the contrary.
    This isn't a difficult google and it's the last time I do homework for you. After this, you're on your own.

    "John 10

    30 I [Jesus] and my Father are one."

    King James Version (KJV)"
    therefore, Jesus = God

    Genesis 3

    8And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

    9And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

    10And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
    therefore Jesus was walking in the garden.

    therefore Jesus was on Earth in the Old Testament

    therefore God=Jesus means Jesus wrote the laws in Leviticus

    coin flip chance this still goes over your head.

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    not necessarily. As the Theory of Many Worlds is being worked on with help of quantum mechanics today. Who knows what future tools there will be to tackle those subjects you mention.
    Hey, I'm in the camp that "we don't know yet". I hold no faith that we will or not ever find out about any of that stuff. I have no problem with either outcome.

    EDIT: What you need to understand though is that whatever answers you're going to get are based on empirical propositions. The theory of many worlds that you mention is empirical *only* because it's based on quantum mechanics, which is also an empirical theory.

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    The Bible, as a reading, encourages slavery.

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    Like so many other people today, you don't know what you're talking about.
    I'm going for a jog. When I come back you'd better prove that we're born atheists.

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    Which is everything that's wrong with this country, both from the Republican and liberal perspective. My views on the right wing bible belt are obvious so there's no need to go further on det one, but I'm sick of liberal politicians whoring gay marriage to pander to liberals when their economic and foreign policy views suck.

    I bring up gay marriage when it comes to religion, but politics wise, it's pretty obvious that gay marriage being universally legal is inevitable in this country, so supporting the legalization of gay marriage shouldn't be enough reason to send someone to congress, or in Obama's case the white house. He's a major example of a liberal politician who uses social issues to get liberal votes in spite of the fact he's a corporate and zionist shill.
    Agreed, but that is an entirely different issue.

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    What? Some of the greatest minds of all time and currently today are religious.
    Why are you moving the goal posts on what I said?

    Unless you consider Broussard to be one of the greatest minds of all time........but even then......

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    I'm going for a jog. When I come back you'd better prove that we're born atheists.
    Isn't this pretty simple? You're born without religion that's why you are baptized into a religion

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    This isn't a difficult google and it's the last time I do homework for you. After this, you're on your own.



    therefore, Jesus = God



    therefore Jesus was walking in the garden.

    therefore Jesus was on Earth in the Old Testament

    therefore God=Jesus means Jesus wrote the laws in Leviticus

    coin flip chance this still goes over your head.
    You really aren't very bright. It's entertaining watching you dance around a very simple concept.

    Did Jesus Christ exist in human form on earth before his birth, which was accounted for in Matthew? Think about that for a second.

    You created an argument out of nowhere and it's a silly one. You thinking you're enlightening anyone by linking two members of the Trinity is comical.

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    You really aren't very bright. It's entertaining watching you dance around a very simple concept.

    Did Jesus Christ exist in human form on earth before his birth, which was accounted for in Matthew? Think about that for a second.

    You created an argument out of nowhere and it's a silly one. You thinking you're enlightening anyone by linking two members of the Trinity is comical.
    Ok, no he didn't exist in human form.

    What exactly does that prove to you?

    What argument did I make that you're referring to?

    Did post-human Jesus tell you what to tell me during your jog?

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    Isn't this pretty simple? You're born without religion that's why you are baptized into a religion
    Damn youre good.

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    Ok, no he didn't exist in human form.
    Yeah, I know.

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    neat

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    Crazy how Collins got us here talking on a range of social topics most of it having nothing to do with how many poles he smoked ...

    I was raised in a faith based home, and still go though I struggle with my own faith t times ...
    One thing my phobic uncle brought up to my Deacon grandfather (his pops) was where were the dinosaurs in the Bible?
    I know it's a simple argument and one that you can easily dismiss with faith ... but when I was going through a questioning the world phase as a freshman in college ...
    I like my late uncle wondered how did man and dinos co-exist?

    I moved past that and look at the OT as kind of a frame-work ... but I do get why some question it ...because I did so myself at one time.
    yeah, the whole God thing can be confusing. My family sort of went to church, they certainly never shoved anything down my throat. , I don't even know if they were Christian, they might have been. I had a friend at a young age try to save me, not sure if I was or not. like I said, it's a source of much confusion for me, but I don't begrudge anyone who has peace or joy in God. tbh, i'm sort of jealous of it. It's a crazy world out there, our monkey brains will never grasp everything. I have my own ideas on this stuff, but I tend to keep that private.

    as for the butt ing, it's an interesting topic, because it serves no reproductive purpose. yet maybe it's genetic, maybe it's not. it's certainly a dirty way of ing, hence why disease is spread so easily via anal sex. my ladies in the past rarely wanted any of it from me, didn't want no ripping and tearing as my Fevertrees would say.

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    I don't begrudge anyone who has peace or joy in God. tbh, i'm sort of jealous of it.
    pretty much

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    I just love how everyone destroyed Tim Tebow for being super Christian, but this guy comes out and says he's gay and everyone is supporting him and calling him a hero.

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    b4 god created or perfected making humans, he made adam and steve

    then he made adam and eve
    their offspring was cain and abel and we all know why one killed the other...

    in the bible didnt mention jesus or any of the 12 henchmen havin family, so 13 guys walking around sleeping together, some must be up...

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    Explain this to me. If a person wants Jason Collins to shut up about his gayness, that person is a bigot. If a person wants Tim Tebow to shut up about his faith in Christianity, that person is cool and right and that type of behavior is accepted and encouraged. Double standard anyone?

    And I thought liberals were supposed to be tolerant and open minded and promoters of equality and tolerance?

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    Poor, persecuted Tebow..

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