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Really? All my Republican friends ing love Lying Ted.
Gone are the Iowa days of Trump the graceful loser. After losing Wisconsin tonight, his campaign put out a statement saying that Trump “withstood the onslaught of the establishment” and that “Lyin’ Ted Cruz had the governor of Wisconsin, many conservative talk radio show hosts, and the entire party apparatus behind him.” The statement went on in that manner, with Trump calling Cruz a “Trojan horse, being used by the party bosses attempting to steal the nomination from Mr. Trump.”
We can gather two things from this statement: 1) Trump is feeling Cruz’s hot breath down his neck in the fight for delegates and 2) Trump is a fan of the serial comma (long may it reign).
Really? All my Republican friends ing love Lying Ted.
While entire nation is busy worrying about Trump and Shillary and Bernie, Ted Cruz is getting dangerously closer and closer to the white house.
If he somehow lands in the white house, this country is done. I'm out myselfI am not going to live under a Cruz presidency.
This country is already done
The establishment Repugs hate him. They are only tolerating him to get this thing to a contested convention because they hate Trump more. They would rather hand the election to Hillary than have Trump win.
The establishment is not a large part of the cons uency. They can hate Cruz all they want, but Republicans across the board will vote for Cruz over Hillary.
They'd be done as a party if they steal the nomination from both Trump and Cruz. This is Cruz's nomination to lose I think.
Most of Cruz's support is just protest against Trump. No one is going to go rioting in the streets over Ted Cruz losing the nomination.
This.Most of Cruz's support is just protest against Trump. No one is going to go rioting in the streets over Ted Cruz losing the nomination.
You are underestimating how a contested convention could get ugly and alienate voters.
Last edited by djohn2oo8; 04-05-2016 at 10:54 PM.
I don't buy that at all, it would be a surefire way to completely alienate their voters who haven't wanted Rubio, haven't wasn't Kasich, haven't wanted Christie, and haven't wanted Jeb. They would lose so many Senate seats and would probably get horrible turnout in the 2018 midterms and likely lose the House too then. I don't think the party would be viable if they indeed do use Cruz as the trojan horse Trump is suggesting.Most of Cruz's support is just protest against Trump. No one is going to go rioting in the streets over Ted Cruz losing the nomination.
They're pretty likely losing the presidency either way, but will probably do better in their senate races with Cruz since he's not running a racist campaign like Trump's that would probably drive enormous minority turnout.
this is the crux of the problem, my old man is a big conservative and he keeps trying to hammer this point too, and i just shake my head
That goes for both sides...a contested convention is more possible today than ever thanks to all the states that have adopted proportional caucuses and primaries...and the fact that there is no clear favorite in either party....
Yup, there's a big, big disconnect from certain parts of the party on that aspect... I think they're going to have to keep losing a few more elections until it sinks in
Hillary coat-tails? Perhaps this is what the GOP establishment fears more than losing the WH...They're pretty likely losing the presidency either way, but will probably do better in their senate races with Cruz since he's not running a racist campaign like Trump's that would probably drive enormous minority turnout.
The thing is, with all the gerrymandering that's been done being far right is critical to their success in the House.
That's the current dichotomy for them. You gotta be ultra-right to keep your House seat, but you can't win the whitehouse, then you can't pass . The problem with gerrymandering is that it's likely a losing proposition long term. Demographics are going to keep shifting, these niglets are not going to learn until they lose a couple more elections and maybe the senate...
Last time they panicked because they were getting destroyed by the Hispanic vote, and did that bull with McCain and Rubio right after the 2012 election to pander to them, and it didn't get anywhere. Heck, Cruz is campaigning on how he stood against it.
I actually thought Mitt would shift to the middle after the primaries, but dude went with Ryan to appease the Tea s and det 47% talk just buried him
But then conservatives were ing that he was not conservative enough?
He gives me the creeps. Mind you, I probably line up with him on everything except his 3 exceptions to abortion, but everything about the person (not the policies) repulses me.
Pennsylvania has a bunch of unbound delegates so even if Trump does well there (voting-wise), he won't get them. I don't think Trump's gonna reach the 1237 and unless he can convince some unbound delegates before the convention to vote for him on the first ballot, he's gonna lose. Cruz's ground game/preparation is too good and all the party delegates will go with him rather than Trump.
Yeah that never made any sense to try to appeal to the base when a black man in office was all the motivation the base needed to show up on election day for Romney.I actually thought Mitt would shift to the middle after the primaries, but dude went with Ryan to appease the Tea s and det 47% talk just buried him
But then conservatives were ing that he was not conservative enough?
Drip, drip...drip...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/...ernie-sanders/This means that the race currently stands at +212 delegates for Clinton. On March 16, her lead stood at +319.
can anybody find a list of remaining Dem primaries, delegates per state and whether proportional or winner-take-all?
I don't think any are "winner take all".
sanders has been winning states but the margins need to be bigger for him to actually catch up. winning a state by 10-20 delegates isn't going to get him caught up in time to sway supers
in theory, not practice, he only has win more non-super delegates, then the supers follow him as the primaries winner. no matter what Dem establishment, Hillary supporters say, the super-delegates pledged to her are not glued to her, but will switch to Bernie.
If they don't, then the Dems will have the same disaster of a divided angry party as the Repugs have. Hillary thinks she can trash Bernie now and smooth it all over after she's in the WH.
i dont know how easily they'll switch to somebody that doesn't even identify as a democrat and has been ting on clinton/obama administration
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