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  1. #676
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    That's right. My bad.

    It's like Six Degrees Of Suck.

    Its the gift that keeps on giving all year long - *Eddy from Christmas Vacation*

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    1. the guy scored like 3 ppg against phoenix. he didn't add to our team when it counted.

    2. if you know the spurs you know they were just going to let him expire next year and save the tax money.

    3. i think RC may have a sign and trade scenario up his sleeve, a lot of teams are going to be making moves, there's a chance we sneak into a 3 team deal or sign and trade for someone decent.

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    RJ in a contract year >>>>> any realistic S&T option or any other FA sf.

    Now we are just going to resign him to a more cap friendly LT deal and get a lazier version of RJ than what we would have had.

    pretty bad situation for the spurs from a basketball standpoint.

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    Well yeah. No Splitter changes things drastically. The Spurs are at the proverbial fork in the road.

    To the left: Splitter does not sign and they have to go into rebuild mode.

    To the right: Splitter signs, they do a little maneuvering and give the le run one last shot.

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    Hill's jump played a large role in that. I don't think RJ was a big reason for the offensive burst. I don't think you see a major drop in per minute scoring for the Spurs.

    I do think, if they can get a nice pick up for the LLE and a young guy to produce (Gee, Anderson, Malik...) you will see the defense improve enough to offset any offensive dip.
    I agree to an extent. I guess we need to remember that RJ wasn't the right type of player. They needed an outside scorer who could go off the dribble if needed. Those guys are hard to come by. Ray Allen's and Michael Redd's don't grow on trees. If the spurs find a guy who can spread the floor and penetrate if needed, then they won't miss RJ too much. If they don't find that...then they'll just end up with a few guys who play like RJ but aren't as good.

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    It's confirmed he's opting out. The cap isn't totally set yet but the Spurs will have the MLE, LLE, and minimums probably no matter what.
    In other words, the Spurs will have everything they already had, but not a giant expiring contract trade chip, or an under-performing, but serviceable, 3. Now we have to figure out how to address the outright hole at the SF position (where we were only thin before). Worse, since we'll have to make our money go farther, this could grievously impact the Splitter negotiations.

    Not trying to be a gloomy bas , but I don't see how we can manage to contend anymore short of a FO miracle. Seriously... I'm furious.

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    Damn...I go out for dinner and come back to this? And to think I thought this would be a quiet evening.

    Mel summed it up pretty good a couple of pages ago. Even if the Spurs wind up with the young guys filling the gaps, it won't be that much of a loss...especially if Splitter does come. The waiting game begins.
    DPG with no love.

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    Jefferson should get no more than $9 million a year here and that's pushing it because he's not creating anything, he can't defend and he is not a great or even good shooter perhaps decent and he is playing Sf.

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    Unfortunately that's without a starting SF. So basically it's the same situation as they were in yesterday only now they need to spread the MLE, LLE, and minimum contracts to include a SF.
    In other words, the Spurs will have everything they already had, but not a giant expiring contract trade chip, or an under-performing, but serviceable, 3. Now we have to figure out how to address the outright hole at the SF position (where we were only thin before). Worse, since we'll have to make our money go farther, this could grievously impact the Splitter negotiations.

    Not trying to be a gloomy bas , but I don't see how we can manage to contend anymore short of a FO miracle. Seriously... I'm furious.
    Bingo

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    I agree to an extent. I guess we need to remember that RJ wasn't the right type of player. They needed an outside scorer who could go off the dribble if needed. Those guys are hard to come by. Ray Allen's and Michael Redd's don't grow on trees. If the spurs find a guy who can spread the floor and penetrate if needed, then they won't miss RJ too much. If they don't find that...then they'll just end up with a few guys who play like RJ but aren't as good.
    I think just a 3 PT shooter (Mason before he sucked) who is a better defender is a win overall. I don't think you need a perfect fit, just a better fit than RJ for the team to prosper a little more if Tiago joins.

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    http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/s..._97529699.html

    In a surprise move, Richard Jefferson has informed the Spurs that he intends to opt out of the final season of his contract and will become a free agent at midnight eastern time.
    Jefferson was due to make $15 million next year. Opting out gives him the freedom to negotiate a long-term deal, in advance of a new collective bargaining agreement next season.

    The move will move the Spurs below the luxury tax line, but not the projected salary cap. It does not necessarily mean the Jefferson era in San Antonio is over.

    Jefferson, who arrived in a trade with Milwaukee last offseason, never quite reached expectations in San Antonio. He averaged 12.3 points and 4.4 rebounds in his first — and perhaps, only — season with the Spurs.

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    someone explain how exactly we were gonna use the MLE and exceptions THIS year if we were already over the cap and into the luxury tax?

    i thought it was one or the other.
    CG can give you a better account, but the short answer is: No.

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    They won't miss RJ at all no matter what happens, he just doesn't fit in SA

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    Unless this was prearranged, it's over for him here.

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    you thought Richard Jefferson was gonna be part of a Championship run? hahahahah
    You think Hairston, Jerrels, Gee, <insert random scrub here>, etc. were going to be part of a championship run?

    "Over my dead body" - Greg Popovich

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    would it have really sucked if jefferson opted out and the spurs were stuck like $1 million under the cap? then they get no MLE and no cap room to sign splitter? is that how it works?

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    Its 5 AM here, I woke up randomly and decided to read some twitter as the FA period just opened.

    Saw this all over twitter, and I just went crazy. I'm still half asleep and I dunno what to make of this yet, we now have no extra money spend and no RJ either. Just wow.

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    I think the idea of a trade between now and Feb for his expiring was something of fools gold. I understand the theory but the odds were against a deal happening without the Spurs having to take back some albatross contract. That sort of trade would have still kept them in luxury tax land which won't be a good place to be when Timmeh hangs em up.

    This does give the Spurs some flexibility and the possibility of doing something we haven't really thought of before, such as trading the rights to Anderson along with McDyess for some asset. Not suggesting that but simply saying, we have some inexpensive talent that could be paired with a re-signed Jefferson or McDyess to bring back something.

    I would really like to know what the front office really thinks of this.

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    CG can give you a better account, but the short answer is: No.
    The short answer is he can get an answer to his question by looking at pretty much any page in this thread. Ok maybe that wasn't so short but he's being an idiot.

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    If you are over the cap, you get to use the MLE. You can also use the BAE/LLE (same things), but not two years in a row.

    When you are over the cap, the way they allow you to sign players is to use the exceptions. If not, no team would be able to add FA's unless they were under the cap.

    Only if you are under the cap by an amount that exceeds the MLE, would you not use the MLE exception, but use your cap space. Does that help?

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    You think Hairston, Jerrels, Gee, <insert random scrub here>, etc. were going to be part of a championship run?

    "Over my dead body" - Greg Popovich
    Not necessarily, but I don't think you lose anything either. Or at least not enough not to be thrilled RJ is off the books and the owners save money.

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    This off-season just became a whole lot more interesting.

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    I think just a 3 PT shooter (Mason before he sucked) who is a better defender is a win overall. I don't think you need a perfect fit, just a better fit than RJ for the team to prosper a little more if Tiago joins.
    I'm poppin wood for Ronnie Brewer myself. Yeah, I think he might fill the void nicely despite his shooting woes. Let the shooting coaches work on him 24/7 until the season starts.

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    If you are over the cap, you get to use the MLE. You can also use the BAE/LLE (same things), but not two years in a row.

    When you are over the cap, the way they allow you to sign players is to use the exceptions. If not, no team would be able to add FA's unless they were under the cap.

    Only if you are under the cap by an amount that exceeds the MLE, would you not use the MLE exception, but use your cap space. Does that help?
    thanks.

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