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    James is the best or second best player to ever set foot on an NBA court and still should basically single handedly carries his team to the Finals this year. He's also had a lot more career success than Chris Paul so, yes, he gets more benefit of the doubt.

    Like I said, his stats are where they're at because he's playing under D'Antoni in a system favorable to PGs. Is he still a of a player? Yes. However, I wouldn't consider him a Top 10 player anymore.
    As great as he is he also greatly benefited from the east being a piss pot conference for more than a decade. His actual finals record is the indication of how many times he would have actually made the finals had his entire career been in the Western Conference. Timmy in his prime in the Eastern conference is making the finals over and over as well.

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    Honestly worth it for the Clippers just to get away from that contract. He can't stay on the court so how can you build around him? You can't.
    Ouch, sounds like a certain Spur we all know and love.

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    I also think this makes a Mills trade to DET more likely. I said that DET was fine taking on longer term salary and it turns out that was true.

    Now, they need spacing and shooting. They just lost their 2 best 3PT shooters in Bradley/Harris so they need a guard and shooting. You don’t trade for Blake to not be somewhat all-in. So you would think Mills would be highly sought after there.

    Maybe a 3-Team trade where DET gets Mills, SA gets Tolliver/Stanley Johnson and another team gets a 2nd rounder + another player from DET.

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    Well, I think I made my argument with the post you quoted, tbh.
    I mean you literally made an argument I just think you can substantiate it I see what you are trying to say though, but I disagree obviously

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    As great as he is he also greatly benefited from the east being a piss pot conference for more than a decade. His actual finals record is the indication of how many times he would have actually made the finals had his entire career been in the Western Conference. Timmy in his prime in the Eastern conference is making the finals over and over as well.
    Don't disagree. Timmy is Top 5 of all time in his own right.

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    I also think this makes a Mills trade to DET more likely. I said that DET was fine taking on longer term salary and it turns out that was true.

    Now, they need spacing and shooting. They just lost their 2 best 3PT shooters in Bradley/Harris so they need a guard and shooting. You don’t trade for Blake to not be somewhat all-in. So you would think Mills would be highly sought after there.

    Maybe a 3-Team trade where DET gets Mills, SA gets Tolliver/Stanley Johnson and another team gets a 2nd rounder + another player from DET.
    If you believe Mills would be "highly sought after", why would we have to settle for the likes of Tolliver or Johnson?

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    Wow Blake must be absolutely thrilled he gets to pack his bags and go live in ing Detroit LOL. Awesome.
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    at least we're not detroit!

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    I also think this makes a Mills trade to DET more likely. I said that DET was fine taking on longer term salary and it turns out that was true.

    Now, they need spacing and shooting. They just lost their 2 best 3PT shooters in Bradley/Harris so they need a guard and shooting. You don’t trade for Blake to not be somewhat all-in. So you would think Mills would be highly sought after there.

    Maybe a 3-Team trade where DET gets Mills, SA gets Tolliver/Stanley Johnson and another team gets a 2nd rounder + another player from DET.
    True, didn't think about that. If the Spurs are willing to send Mills to DET I'd be pleasantly surprised.

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    If you believe Mills would be "highly sought after", why would we have to settle for the likes of Tolliver or Johnson?
    Sought after in regards to if they can get him without giving up a pick and/or a player they love then yes. If it’s just for expiring money so they can go more all-in with Blake and making a playoff push then yes.

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    I mean you literally made an argument I just think you can substantiate it I see what you are trying to say though, but I disagree obviously
    Who do you think fits better alongside Manu, Anderson and Gay, Mills or Parker?

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    Sought after in regards to if they can get him without giving up a pick and/or a player they love then yes. If it’s just for expiring money so they can go more all-in with Blake and making a playoff push then yes.
    I guess I don't understand your answer. My opinion is that Tolliver and Johnson are garbage. So why would San Antonio not get better compensation if Mills is prized by Detroit?

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    Who do you think fits better alongside Manu, Anderson and Gay, Mills or Parker?
    Tony. For many reasons beyond just that specific lineup. I’d rather have TP at the 1 and Manu at the 2 (if that is the only option you are presenting me with) than Manu at the 1 and Mills at the 2.

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    Who do you think fits better alongside Manu, Anderson and Gay, Mills or Parker?
    Regardless of fit, we know that one of them will never be traded.

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    I guess I don't understand your answer. My opinion is that Tolliver and Johnson are garbage. So why would San Antonio not get better compensation if Mills is prized by Detroit?
    Because he’s not SO prized that SA would get a ton. SA would not want a player, they would want expiring contracts.

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    SA likes Patty contract. What makes you think otherwise?

    I mean they just gave it to him and he has been playing better than the contract.

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    SA likes Patty contract. What makes you think otherwise?

    I mean they just gave it to him and he has been playing better than the contract.
    That is absurd. He’s not playing better than his contract. He got his contract based on his level of play and hopes he would improve.

    Not only did he not improve over last year, but he’s playing worse:

    Worse True Shooting Percentage from last year.

    Much worse PER from last year.

    Worse REB/AST% from last year.

    More TO%

    Worse win shares (both offensively and defensively), worse OBPM, worse DBPM & worse VORP

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    deandre + lou for tony, green, forbes, two draft picks, and cash considerations.

    murray/mills
    lou/manu
    kawhi/kyle
    la/bertans
    deandre/gasol

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    deandre + lou for tony, green, forbes, two draft picks, and cash considerations.

    murray/mills
    lou/manu
    kawhi/kyle
    la/bertans
    deandre/gasol
    I don't hate it - could prob lose one of the draft picks or the cash considerations.

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    deandre + lou for tony, green, forbes, two draft picks, and cash considerations.

    murray/mills
    lou/manu
    kawhi/kyle
    la/bertans
    deandre/gasol
    Sub Mills for TP

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    I'm just glad a solid player went east for a change.

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    That is absurd. He’s not playing better than his contract. He got his contract based on his level of play and hopes he would improve.

    Not only did he not improve over last year, but he’s playing worse:

    Worse True Shooting Percentage from last year.

    Much worse PER from last year.

    Worse REB/AST% from last year.

    More TO%

    Worse win shares (both offensively and defensively), worse OBPM, worse DBPM & worse VORP
    Almost like everyones ing numbers get worse when an MVP caliber player goes down for the whole year and the rest of the team can't stay healthy.

    You must be a goddamn idiot.

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    Almost like everyones ing numbers get worse when an MVP caliber player goes down for the whole year and the rest of the team can't stay healthy.

    You must be a goddamn idiot.
    That makes no sense. You said he’s playing better. He’s not. It’s pretty simple. Regardless of Kawhi being out Mills is doing worse than last year.

    How are you reasoning that he’s out playing his contract if I’m the idiot ?

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    That makes no sense. You said he’s playing better. He’s not. It’s pretty simple. Regardless of Kawhi being out Mills is doing worse than last year.

    How are you reasoning that he’s out playing his contract if I’m the idiot ?
    Well his numbers should be worse. Instead, he's keeping the ship afloat. You dumb .

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    Patty has been a great player for the Spurs this year especially when they can use all the help they can get. Yeah let's trade him.

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