Derrick White and Dejuntay Murray were drafted 29th pick not so long ago by the spurs
8 and 9 years ago.
And they were side projects.
Spurs were stacked and they had no pressure on them to make big contributions.
Noone is saying that we should trade all the picks, but we most definitely don't need or want another 2 rookies next season.
What we need is some legit help for Wemby because it's still one of the worst teams in the league without him.
It's weird how all the same people stoked to trade the #8 pick last year for an FRP in 7 years are the same people who want to horde a pick destined for the late teens in this draft, which is looking to be just as weak as (if not more than) last in that range.
Eh, I understand it, Spurs pretty much never made any big trades as buyers.
Trading Hill for nephew is the biggest trade of PATFO era, there's not a single team in the league that made less relevant trades for starters over the past ~30 years.
But it's a different league now and we need some moves.
Lonnie #18, Samanic #19, Keldon #29, Vassell #11, Primo #12, Sochan #9, Branham #20, Wesley #25.
Those are 8 FRPs after Derrick and before Wemby. One could argue that those were above average selections in range similar to what we'll get over the next few years.
And people still think we'll get a legit #2 with those Hawks picks, there's no point in even discussing it anymore.
Certain poster we all know posted about how we ruined the tank last night as soon as the game ended. Some people are just completely out of touch with reality.
we don't get to choose what picks a potential trade partner will ask for though. if i'm a potential trade partner. i'm paying attention to where that pick falls also. that's where farther down the road picks can have some value. because if we know a pick is likely to be worthless, any GM in the league is going to know that also. it also makes giving up castle that much less attractive in that you're giving up the one top 5 pick besides Wemby that you were able to get. i think it's all moot though because i would really be shocked if fox was moved before this trade deadline.
Kings have now won 5 in a row since firing Mike Brown. Tough stretch coming up here though so we'll see how they come out of it, but early returns on the MB firing aren't good tbh.
My point was more that people don't want to give up picks that look destined for the teens for proven players (thus, overvaluing the picks) but get excited when we trade a #8 pick for a pick that will probably end up even lower in 7 years (and a swap, which is even lower EV)
Fox hasn't played in last two games, maybe they start thinking they're better off with another type of player?
I think it's ultimately down to Fox's mentality. Does he want to win a ring or is he content treadmilling?
It's the biggest decision of his career and he'll have to make it this summer. If he extends, he has to accept he'll likely never be a part of a top contender.
this isn't meant as a shot at you, in any way, but this is the image that comes to mind when i read some of your more analytical posts:
Speaking of that we need Wright to trade Pena so Mitch will stop penciling him into the starting PF slot every nightthis isn't meant as a shot at you, in any way, but this is the image that comes to mind when i read some of your more analytical posts:
lol "i don't think so; he plays for detroit now."
One of my favorite movies and Peter Brand is one of my favorite characters. He's based on Paul DePodesta, who I'm a fan of though he's not exactly killing it in Cleveland. I'm a little older the Peter/Paul was at the time of movie, but I'd love to be Brian Wright's office-dork.this isn't meant as a shot at you, in any way, but this is the image that comes to mind when i read some of your more analytical posts:
I take this as a complement.
really good movie. they almost made peter brand... TOO correct. also ignores a lot of the absolute stars those A's had. movie doesnt once mention miguel ing tejadaOne of my favorite movies and Peter Brand is one of my favorite characters. He's based on Paul DePodesta, who I'm a fan of though he's not exactly killing it in Cleveland. I'm a little older the Peter/Paul was at the time of movie, but I'd love to be Brian Wright's office-dork.
I take this as a complement.... or their insane rotation with Zito/Hudson/Mulder. the only pitcher we hear about was the chad bradford
i thought for much of the move billy seemed almost irrelevant as he was just doing whatever peter said. they ended up salvaging that with the trade scene and him connecting with david justice.
I don’t think there was much chance at all of them trading Fox during the season. He’s waiting on the all NBA selections to see if he’ll get the SuperMax. If he does, he’ll probably give SAC another year or two to right the ship before asking out. If he doesn’t,he’ll probably ask out this summer.
Everybody knows he won‘t make All-NBA this season
Kawhi is dropping off, and it’s looking like Luka also won’t make 65 games. Halliburton looks terrible, and may not make it, and one of Book/Durant may not make it because PHO is ing awful. Durant tops out at 72 games with the time he’s missed already, and may also fall below the 65 game threshold. Fox has a previous appearance in 22-23, and there’s going to be some openings this year.
Fox only a fringe guy on Vecenie's WC all stars at this point (he has Victor as a starter in his picks, not meaning he's predicting Wemby will be a starter, but that he should be).
Still time for Fox to turn it around, but it would take a major push to make All NBA this year. But if SAC turns it around and makes the playoffs, he'll likely have a strong case.
Fox made 3rd team all-NBA the year Sacramento was the 3rd seed in the west. If they don't make the playoffs, with a coach killing rep I find it hard to believe he would get rewarded unless the 65 game threshold severely limits the pool.
Jalen Williams has a better chance at an all-NBA team as a reward for a team that will win high 60s or even crack 70+ wins.
tbh, it would be great for us if Jalen did make it so he can get that rookie supermax
Sign Becky now please
Why do people think Fox is a coach killer? Apparently the owner fired Mike Brown, which is why Kings management never said anything
Because he turned down the extension, Brown spent all year in the media critiquing him, Fox's new agent then had a meeting with managers about the future, then Fox had some bad performances capped with a game losing boneheaded play that was the opposite of what he was told, Brown then singled him out even more, and within a day he was fired. And Fox sure wasn't seeming to have any problem with the firing when talking to the media after. Said his reaction to being told on the team plane that Brown was fired was to just go to sleep.
Might not be fair to think he's a coach killer but there's enough to raise eyebrows.
This,
Poor defense
so/so 3 percent
Not sure I see the infatuation especially at his price
This has been covered in this thread, but I wouldn't label Fox as a poor defender. He's pretty much the epitome of an average defender, and above average defender for a point guard, who complements his overall average defense with impact defensive plays (he's 11th in the league in steals).
If he had to play SG next to CP3 for a year, he'd definitely get taken advantage of. But as a PG, he's actually above average.
The more I think about this, the more I think it's a good idea. But then I remember who the coach is and I lose hope and decide I will root for Victor after he leaves the team.
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