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    God Talks To Me. angel_luv's Avatar
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    This is unrelated except that some of you might still have the t.v on- is that Little Robert in the ancira commercials Horry's son?

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    UMMMM, Excuse me. We were very close to doing that!!! That was a luck game. I never thought freakin Oberto would go 11-11 or that Bell/Nash would choke!

    My apologies for underestimating my Spurs. (Though I did win 200 in vbookie! )

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    UMMMM, Excuse me. We were very close to doing that!!! That was a luck game. I never thought freakin Oberto would go 11-11 or that Bell/Nash would choke!

    My apologies for underestimating my Spurs. (Though I did win 200 in vbookie! )
    I know, I know...just giving you a hard time.

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    You know what else I just realized?? Is this the MOST EXCITED Spurs fans have been about the teams Centers since D Rob retired??

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    I know this is totally of topic but on national geographic explorer they cross bred a lion and a tiger and it came out bigger than a regular lion! The stop growing gene dosen't work so it was like waching Shaq standing next to someone 5'11"! Science at work!

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    I know, I know...just giving you a hard time.
    You're just pissed cuz you probably lost the vbookie and your down to $0.

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    You know what else I just realized?? Is this the MOST EXCITED Spurs fans have been about the teams Centers since D Rob retired??
    Maybe. I guess you could have called the board "excited" about Nazr's 3-pointer and the ensuing hubbub.

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    You're just pissed cuz you probably lost the vbookie and your down to $0.
    I think I did lose, actually.

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    I know, I know...just giving you a hard time.
    You wish.

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    Stop being crude....

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    BTW, Beno sucked tonight. His defense was absolutely horrible. There were plays where he didn't even bother putting a hand up to contest the shot and he gave the opposing player about 5 feet to operate. Plus, he really isn't running the offense smoothly and looking to much for his own shot when he can't hit anything.

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    Timmy is awesome- taking on Don Harris in interviews. hehe

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    Timmy is awesome- taking on Don Harris in interviews. hehe

    What's he saying?

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    What's he saying?
    Timmy was talking about Oberto-saying he always works hard.

    Timmy: You can say what you want about Oberto...
    Don: Say what you want.
    Timmy, clarifying" You say what you want. I've heard some of the things you've said about him ( Oberto).
    Don: Silence.


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    Putting him in place...

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    Dam them Spurs are good. Why they not play Amare more in phoenix?

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    Dam them Spurs are good. Why they not play Amare more in phoenix?
    Amare was looking like the Amare of old tonight, as bad as the Spurs were playing Suns probably would have won if he did not foul out.

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    Dam them Spurs are good. Why they not play Amare more in phoenix?
    He was in foul trouble most of the game and then eventually fouled out midway through the 4th...

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    It's not the gimmick offense that kills you. 9 times out of 10, Nash running circles until someone gets open results in either a 3 pointer or 2 pointer for the team.
    Not in the final five minutes. It doesn't work. I've seen it for three years and unless the cir stances are right (i.e. every being hot), Nash runs around in the halfcourt set, Suns stand around on the perimeter, he uses a few for screens, there's one or two cuts toward the basket, but most times it's a semi-contested perimeter jumper that, because legs are no longer fresh, don't go in as consistantly as they did earlier.

    Lack of defense and rebounders hurts you guys more.
    As I'll adress later on, at times I like the Suns defense. It's average with the potential to be better. Last year they were pretty solid. Probably hovered around top-10 (in real defense, not Hollinger's fantasy stat land) and could be counted on forcing a fair amount of misses. This year they do so inconsistantly, but come the fourth quarter, much like with the offense, the fresh legs that out-ran and out-jumped early simply tire and the effectiveness of a defense based on quicks and gambles diminishes.

    Rebounding, however, is atrocious. They could be better, but until Amare can return to a 8-per form, they'll struggle to be average. They are too short and rely too heavily on athleticism as opposed to skills to net their rebounds. Save for Thomas, there isn't a fundamental rebounder amongst the lot.

    When you have a close game, especially in the 4th, against good teams like Spurs, Dallas, Miami, etc. you need to be able to make stops and rebound. Suns still don't have that...adding Raja Bell doesn't make you a defensive team all of a sudden. That's why you guys were still something like 0-7 last season in close games.
    It's not the players, it's the system. It's emphasis is offense and defensive gambles for easy offensive opportunities. Anything that actually requires work on the defensive end seems to be ignored, in large part, by every player save for maybe Bell and Thomas.

    Actually, I thought in spurts the Suns defense tonight was as good as I've ever seen it (in the D'Antoni era). If they had spared themselves the brain farts on Oberto they would have won comfortably.
    Yes. In spurts. When the regulars legs are rested and they cann get the quick leap to take advantage of the quick read, then yes, they can be effective, but once legs get tired and the ability to out-quick the opponant is gone, they are a rather pathetic halfcourt defense. Couple this with their inability to rebound and you have a recipe for lost leads or big deficits.


    Overall, they've competed in every game. Realisically, they could have won this, the Utah and the Lakers game. Still, they didn't win and the reasons why are pretty obvious. Inconsistant everything. They can get points and good defensive statistics, but until the start to buckle down and run deliberate half-court offensive sets and start to apply defensive and rebounding technique to their athleticism on the defensive end, they'll continue to win or lose at random as the shots are falling late. If they aren't, I have little confidence they can hold leads against playoff teams.

    That is all.

    To be honest, I'm as sick of Bell's and Manu's flopping as I was of players stopping to to refs. I HATE flopping and would welcome a rule similer to that of "diving" in soccer. Any interpreted intentional flop or baiting of the refs results in an automatic tech and two free throws for the opposition. Two T's result in an ejection.

    Does anyone else think flopping is a plague on the League? I know there are tons of Manu fans out here, but I, as a Suns fan, admit that Nash's and Bell's flopping hurts the game. I just wonder do other fans think little of the "artform" and do so to enough extent to want something done?

    In my opinion, half the offensive foul calls in the League are complete BS. Same holds for Nash and Bell. Seriously. I SIMPLY HATE FLOPPING

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    Dam them Spurs are good. Why they not play Amare more in phoenix?
    Me fail English, that's unpossible.

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    Amare was looking like the Amare of old tonight, as bad as the Spurs were playing Suns probably would have won if he did not foul out.

    Ehhh, Thomas played better defense on Duncan than Amare would have, so it's hard to say...

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    Ehhh, Thomas played better defense on Duncan than Amare would have, so it's hard to say...
    True Amare blocks a shot every now and then but he is not a good man to man defender.

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    -- Tony Parker scored 29 points and Fabricio Oberto added 22 on 11-of-11 shooting to lead the San Antonio Spurs to a 111-106 overtime victory over the struggling Phoenix Suns on Wednesday.



    GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!

    + 10 rbds = double-double

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    damn Oberto was on fire tonight, i was in shock!!! and of course i love Tony and his awesome game as well!

    there were quite a few PHX fans there. i was near one on the escalator and the guy was content and said it was a good game and he got his money's worth. then he said, "man, we had it until the last 5 minutes!"

    to which a woman replied, "that's all that matters!"

    heck yes!

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    Also, because of the trap and swarm style defense played by the Suns, a player like Oberto is always capable of having a big game because not only is he just plain bigger and more skilled than the Suns frontcourt, but his man is likely wandering around in search of a steal or block or swarm on Duncan (or whomever)... Last year vs. you it was Nazr. Before that it was Rose. He who is the last capable any other night is very capable vs. the Suns because the "defense" pays very little attention to them and every big man in the NBA can dunk semi-contested or hit a layup with some random guard rotated onto him.

    It's the norm. Some good games happen to come from good players like Okur or Kaman. Others come from Oberto or Bynum.

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