Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[LkrFan]

This is like trying to select the top turd on a pile of .

[FlAVaK]

Not saying you are wrong, but wouldn't you think that a team trying to retain its franchise player would publicly wish him a happy birthday anyway? Might not move the needle but still a good sentiment - being the classy org the Spurs are supposed to be. Maybe that's just me.

It´s 9 a.m. in Texas right now

[Spurs9]

My injury was 100 times worse! I wouldn't support that French bum either.

[Killakobe81]

He’s healthy. Everyone knows it. If you are injured do you turn down 219M knowing you are damaged goods?

Believing and seeing it are two different things.
I can tell you have a Maserati as my weekend ride ...but if the last time you seen me I was driving a Camry ...still a nice car but far from a Maserati.

I'm using the car analogy since Bum was using the BMW Last week ...

[StrengthAndHonor]

That would have been a terrible deal, KL for Tobias?

The Spurs are not going to get equal value from someone who’s dead set on leaving. Harris, at best is an All star quality wing. You also have the luxury to develop 2 lottery picks. That’s a fair trade, given the cir stances.

[duncan2k5]

Different cir stances. With Shaq, he had gotten all fat and out of shape (remember 2003 - when our 4peat bid ended)? I put that solely on him. He wanted an extension to boot and cussed out Dr. Buss. Of course we got rid of him.

Odom? Melted down when he was traded in an attempt to upgrade the roster and extend our contending window. Remember, he was inconsistent at best until MVPau showed up and relegated him to a 3rd wheel. Sure he won 6MOY, but he even ed about the idea of going to the bench, but Phil convinced him. Then he thrived. But it makes one wonder, a guy with his immense talents NEVER made even 1 all star team? Back to your point, we traded him to a good situation. His meltdown was on himPERIOD.

Nah... Shaq was traded because Kobe wouldn't resign with Shaq on the team...

[Killakobe81]

The Spurs are not going to get equal value from someone who’s dead set on leaving. Harris, at best is an All star quality wing. You also have the luxury to develop 2 lottery picks. That’s a fair trade, given the cir stances.

Spurs dont see it that way they expecting Kelly blue book as if the car is in mint condition but last time the car was on teh road it was in "good" not great condition.

Only problem with harris is he is a pending Free agent.
I think he is a good player but I wouldnt want to have pay him big $ in the off season.
Heck Clippers dont even seem like they want to pay him I have heard almost zero talks of extending harris ...if even the clips dont want hom long-term why should the Spurs?

[RD2191]

[duncan2k5]

Different cir stances. With Shaq, he had gotten all fat and out of shape (remember 2003 - when our 4peat bid ended)? I put that solely on him. He wanted an extension to boot and cussed out Dr. Buss. Of course we got rid of him.

Odom? Melted down when he was traded in an attempt to upgrade the roster and extend our contending window. Remember, he was inconsistent at best until MVPau showed up and relegated him to a 3rd wheel. Sure he won 6MOY, but he even ed about the idea of going to the bench, but Phil convinced him. Then he thrived. But it makes one wonder, a guy with his immense talents NEVER made even 1 all star team? Back to your point, we traded him to a good situation. His meltdown was on himPERIOD.

And let's not forget Kobe took a ton of shots VS the pistons and shot his way to 36%...while Shaq was shooting in the 60s, but wasn't getting the ball

[Spurs9]

The Spurs are not going to get equal value from someone who’s dead set on leaving. Harris, at best is an All star quality wing. You also have the luxury to develop 2 lottery picks. That’s a fair trade, given the cir stances.

You could get a better deal from almost any team even on a 1 year rental. Spurs were planning on moving up to the #11 to get Lonnie. Tobias isn't bad but that would be one of the worst trade deals sending a top 3 player for him. The Clppers just don't have the assets to get him at this point. Unless they swung a multi team deal that would send us something decent including some high draft picks from this year. A Philly deal with Smith could be attractive, or anything involving Kyrie. Suns have plenty to offer even for 1 year, teams like Orlando and the Bulls have assets that would be better. See if Dallas is dumb enough to give something involving Dennis Smith.

[look_at_g_shred]

Gawdam the greatest gif of all time

[duncan2k5]

Lots of players come back from an injury and have to resume therapy. This chicken healed and stayed awol all the while cashing Spurs checks and having his handlers throw shade on the Spurs.

AWOL? Spurs trainers were with him all the time! And both him and Pop maintained they spoke regularly... But facts... Who three shade at the Spurs?? Everything was in response to the Spurs shading hum!

[cd021]

How about this?

Spurs get: Miami's 2021 1st, Orlando's 2019 1st, Dario Saric, Robert Covington, Nikola Vucevic
76ers get: Kawhi, Jonathon Simmons
Magic get: Markelle Fultz, Pau Gasol

The Spurs get a couple of good picks and some pieces to stay compe ive with Pop and LMA still around. Philly gets Kawhi and Simmons (who iirc were buddies when they were both in SA). Orlando gets a PG other than DJ Augustin. They do take on Pau's contract but maybe it's a small price to pay for a former 1st pick in Fultz.

Pretty good, though I would think that Orlando would need a bit more. Philly, has second rounders from N.Y and Brooklyn. Probably add the Knicks seconds rounder and protect the Magic pick.


Spurs get: Miami's 2021 1st, Orlando's 2019 1st [top 6 protected in 2019 and 2020], Dario Saric, Robert Covington, Nikola Vucevic

76ers get: Kawhi, Jonathon Simmons

Magic get: Markelle Fultz, Pau Gasol, 2019 Knicks 2nd round Pick

[DPG21920]

As rookies Saric's PER was 12.8
Kuzma's PEr was 14.2

Like I said similar ...but Kuz's was better even if you factor in Saric's jump last year he is only at 14.8 career wise ...

Jaylen Brown after his "breakout year" is sitting on a PER of 12.3
Ingram is sitting on 11. after a a mostly wasted rookie year and as HArlem states only two months of good ball.

Not saying numbers dont point to brown being better he is but he is also a year older and played on a much betetr team in the crappy east.
Pretty sure Ingram with the celts would match or surpass those numbers.
Look I am projecting forward but I think in 3 years both will be very good players but I think Ingram has more upside.

There are way more metrics besides PER.

[jjktkk]

Exactly. Spurs can get a kuzma. Or a Saric. Nobody that's a real difference maker.

And Kawhi has already killed the Spurs reputation. Trading him won't change that.

Leonard killed the Spurs reputation, Really? If anything Leonard comes off as KD part 2, a star player, but a star player who doesn't possess the ability to be a true leader of a team. I mean come on, the man has to hide behind his uncle and sister and let them speak for him. Having a star player who can't handle the pressure of being a franchise player, is not going to kill the Spur's legacy.

[YGWHI]

I’m willing to trade Leonard to LA for Twitter rescinding Jabari Young’s twitter account.

He works for SAEN, not the Spurs. He can say what he wants about any team -Spurs included-.

I guess there are 200 media guys tweeting about Kawhi possible trades, you can look for them instead of reading Jabari Young's tw

Unless you're a butthurt fan, it's to easy to ignore the tweets that you don't want to read...

[StrengthAndHonor]

Spurs dont see it that way they expecting Kelly blue book as if the car is in mint condition but last time the car was on teh road it was in "good" not great condition.

Only problem with harris is he is a pending Free agent.
I think he is a good player but I wouldnt want to have pay him big $ in the off season.
Heck Clippers dont even seem like they want to pay him I have heard almost zero talks of extending harris ...if even the clips dont want hom long-term why should the Spurs?

Harris is part of the future but he’s not a priority. West is just keeping all options considering there’s a potential to acquire a Superstar after losing Griffin. Tobias is a plug and play piece. He’ll do well in any system but has the potential to excel and squeeze every bit of his potential under Popovich.

[Killakobe81]

There are way more metrics besides PER.

OF course I was being lazy and its the first advanced metric that pops up on Basket ball refference.
I can find a few that favor Ingram and plenty that favor Brown ...
My only point was those that act like Brown is waaaaay better than Ingram, heck even Boston is acting that way if they are refusing to include him in a package for KL.
I get Boston is not his preffered destination so that may cloud the comparison ...
But I think they are comparable, but Brown is better right now but I think Ingram will be better eventually.

[baseline bum]

Harris gives you a player that can help the Spurs win now

[Killakobe81]

Harris is part of the future but he’s not a priority. West is just keeping all options considering there’s a potential to acquire a Superstar after losing Griffin. Tobias is a plug and play piece. He’ll do well in any system but has the potential to excel and squeeze every bit of his potential under Popovich.

I agree again I like Harris.
Just not sure I would want to pay him what he will want in summer 2019.
That makes him a rental.

[cd021]

As rookies Saric's PER was 12.8
Kuzma's PEr was 14.2

Like I said similar ...but Kuz's was better even if you factor in Saric's jump last year he is only at 14.8 career wise ...

Jaylen Brown after his "breakout year" is sitting on a PER of 12.3
Ingram is sitting on 11. after a a mostly wasted rookie year and as HArlem states only two months of good ball.

Not saying numbers dont point to brown being better he is but he is also a year older and played on a much betetr team in the crappy east.
Pretty sure Ingram with the celts would match or surpass those numbers.
Look I am projecting forward but I think in 3 years both will be very good players but I think Ingram has more upside.

Career numbers;

Brown-TS % is 56%
Ingram-TS % is 50%

Brown Win Shares Per 48 Minutes- .82
Ingram Win Shares Per 48 Minutes-.28

that's a big difference, Brown has been clearly better and Ingram has underwhelmed for a number 2 pick and there is no guarantee that he'll ever live up to that pick or that hype.

[clambake]

lebron knew that kawhi told pop that he wanted to leave. he knew while it was happening.

so says stephen a smith

[YGWHI]

Leonard killed the Spurs reputation, Really? If anything Leonard comes off as KD part 2, a star player, but a star player who doesn't possess the ability to be a true leader of a team. I mean come on, the man has to hide behind his uncle and sister and let them speak for him. Having a star player who can't handle the pressure of being a franchise player, is not going to kill the Spur's legacy.

After Tim's retirement, it seemed like Kawhi handle it so well when he led this team to WCF in 2017..

Just because a player doesn't want to stay on a team that denied him a supermax contract, it doesn't mean that the player can't handle the pressure of being the face of the franchise.

Unlike he teams up with LeBron which seems very unlike now, when the Spurs trade him to other team he'll be a franchise player again.

[baseline bum]

Believing and seeing it are two different things.
I can tell you have a Maserati as my weekend ride ...but if the last time you seen me I was driving a Camry ...still a nice car but far from a Maserati.

I'm using the car analogy since Bum was using the BMW Last week ...

LOL bringing up injuries for Kawhi but not Ingram.

[Killakobe81]

Career numbers;

Brown-TS % is 56%
Ingram-TS % is 50%

Brown Win Shares Per 48 Minutes- .82
Ingram Win Shares Per 48 Minutes-.28

that's a big difference, Brown has been clearly better and Ingram has underwhelmed for a number 2 pick and there is no guarantee that he'll ever live up to that pick or that hype.

HArlem already posted some of that a few pages back ...but thanks.
I already said Brown was clearly better so far ...