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    I like Brewer, but certain people pulled a Hollinger on me and said he even sucks defensively.

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    DPG with no love.
    well you are the only who seems to agree with creation and creation has for sure 0 love

    I read your argument and I understand it but I honestly believe that not having RJ will lead to a big hole at the SF spot and a mix of hairston, anderson, a lle guy won't be enough.

    I also expected that an improved RJ next year combined with Splitter signing would give the spurs a last shot.

    If RJ doesn't resign with the spurs it's a bad news

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    Not necessarily, but I don't think you lose anything either. Or at least not enough not to be thrilled RJ is off the books and the owners save money.
    I agree in principle. When I post about Jefferson vs. Hariston, Jerrels, etc., I'm posting with Pop's veteran-love in mind. We cant lose sight of the fact that he's got a hard-on for vets and he simply wont fill the floor with the likes of Hill, Anderson, Blair, and Gee at the same time.

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    Not necessarily, but I don't think you lose anything either. Or at least not enough not to be thrilled RJ is off the books and the owners save money.
    same page here

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    not great news.....now the spurs don't have a SF.....even though he didn't play that good last season we really needed him for the new nba season .....there goes the spurs chances of the spurs being a contender.....

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    I agree in principle. When I post about Jefferson vs. Hariston, Jerrels, etc., I'm posting with Pop's veteran-love in mind. We cant lose sight of the fact that he's got a hard-on for vets and he simply wont fill the floor with the likes of Hill, Anderson, Blair, and Gee at the same time.
    talking about the same guy that ran a line up of Mahimi, Blair, Bogans, Mason, and Bonner last season. he'll do anything.

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    I like Brewer, but certain people pulled a Hollinger on me and said he even sucks defensively.
    Who dat?

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    well you are the only who seems to agree with creation and creation has for sure 0 love

    I read your argument and I understand it but I honestly believe that not having RJ will lead to a big hole at the SF spot and a mix of hairston, anderson, a lle guy won't be enough.

    I also expected that an improved RJ next year combined with Splitter signing would give the spurs a last shot.

    If RJ doesn't resign with the spurs it's a bad news
    I can see people's worries and we won't know until next year. But I was not expecting some magical jump for RJ next year.

    Also, my comment was just in reference to the fact they said Mel said it originally ,not the argument itself. Just a joke.

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    not great news.....now the spurs don't have a SF.....even though he didn't play that good last season we really needed him for the new nba season .....there goes the spurs chances of the spurs being a contender.....
    how the is losing RJ take us out of being a contender? it's void imo. he gain nothing, lose nothing.

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    The short answer is he can get an answer to his question by looking at pretty much any page in this thread. Ok maybe that wasn't so short but he's being an idiot.
    I'm warming up to your position.

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    I agree in principle. When I post about Jefferson vs. Hariston, Jerrels, etc., I'm posting with Pop's veteran-love in mind. We cant lose sight of the fact that he's got a hard-on for vets and he simply wont fill the floor with the likes of Hill, Anderson, Blair, and Gee at the same time.
    See the thing is, just like with Finley, with RJ gone, Pop has no choice. You have to play the cards you are dealt.

    The higher ups...

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    RJ consistently missed defensive assignments and rotations, had at best adequate one on one defense and was terrible at midrange and from three.

    People clamor about his 12 ppg and 4 rpg but we got that from the likes of Roger Mason two years ago.

    The main concern that I would have would be losing his size but quite frankly its not like he played to his size out there. His post up game consisted of missing fadeaways and his rebounding was putrid.

    James Anderson and Malik Hairston could perform as well or better in the minutes that we are losing from RJ quite easily. I think one thing that is not commented on enough is that Anderson pulled down 6 rpg in 22 mins last season. For a guard that is tremendous.

    This is not to say that I am happy to see RJ gone but that is from the basis of his more than likely improving in his second year in our system and nothing to do with losing or replacing his production from last season.

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    Yes. And I thought the Spurs could sign Splitter to a deal up to the average player salary (MLE level) without using the MLE.


    i still dont know why he isnt slotted into the salary for when he was a first round draft pick.


    is it because he stayed in europe?


    still i thought signing a first rounder brought along different 'rules' than second rounders or free agents.

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    @ Malik Hairston being the replacement

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    i have mixed feelings about this. i am not paying the spurs' roster so for me, the spurs just lost a decent SF for nothing when they need all the help they can get.

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    @ the panic princesses

    RJ didn't add points (9 points per game at 33 per in the playoffs), didn't add defense, didn't add hustle, didn't do much of anything. He wasn't who the Spurs turned to for points when the big 3 weren't clicking, it was Hill.

    Who cares so much about 9 ppg in the playoffs with mediocre defense and zero floor spacing? Laugh at guys like Hairston and Anderson all you want, but I'm confident they could do similar but with more hunger and hustle.

    Besides . . .

    For all we know, this could be the move that helps the Spurs sign Splitter.

    With RJ on the books, that makes every dollar they offered Splitter x2 due to the tax, and for all we know was the biggest hurdle in the negotiations, cheaping out on Splitter due to not wanting to effectively pay about 11.5 million a year for him. That's a lot of money in this economy for the league's poorest owner whose fortunes are tied to a struggling construction industry. This is the same team after all that cheaped out on Scola and didn't even want to give him Bonner money. Only after getting humiliated in the first round did the Spurs and Holt come to their senses.

    Now that the tax is no longer an obstacle, they can offer Splitter the full MLE for effectively half the cost of what it would have been with RJ.

    Spurs with Splitter and no RJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spurs with just 30 year-old RJ's 9 points, uninspired play, and lazy defense and no Splitter.

    The only downside is that it gives Pop an excuse to bring back THE CENTERPIECE.

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    I agree in principle. When I post about Jefferson vs. Hariston, Jerrels, etc., I'm posting with Pop's veteran-love in mind. We cant lose sight of the fact that he's got a hard-on for vets and he simply wont fill the floor with the likes of Hill, Anderson, Blair, and Gee at the same time.
    talking about the same guy that ran a line up of Mahimi, Blair, Bogans, Mason, and Bonner last season. he'll do anything.


    Sigh.......you know full well what I meant. He's not putting like that out there during the playoffs. Notice now his man-love for Blair shriveled up quickly once the playoffs rolled around? He's a vet lover, like it or not. He sticks with them in the end. The good news for Hill and Blair is that they have another year under their belts. I don't think that the others qualify in Pops mind though.

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    @ Malik Hairston being the replacement
    I have to say that its funny watching you meltdown and panic. I hope this is just your online persona because you strike me as someone that is worthless in times of crisis perceived or real.

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    @ Malik Hairston being the replacement
    Who is a better defender, Malik or RJ?

    Also, it won't just be Malik. It will be a combo of players. Point is, losing RJ does not leave some gaping hole.

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    You two should go find another chat room to be stupid in.

    I was hoping the dumb would've died down by now.

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    so if RJ leaves and we are a little bit under the cap, that does that mean we can take back a player via trade from one of the teams wanting to get even more cap space without giving up anybody in return? (Deng, W. Chandler, etc..)

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    I have to say that its funny watching you meltdown and panic. I hope this is just your online persona because you strike me as someone that is worthless in times of crisis perceived or real.
    I'm still dying laughing at the thought that no jump shot Hairston is the "replacement"

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    @ Malik Hairston being the replacement
    young, athletic and a body. being a body alone makes him equal to the output of Jefferson.

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    Wow, is this true?

    *I don't know what is happening behind the scenes, but if RJ came to this decision on his own;I've gotta say

    " You RJ."

    I thought he was going to turn it around in his second season with the Spurs but you know, you can't confuse loyalty with obedience you know, what? You know, you know, huh? You know........no.
































    You know?

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    See the thing is, just like with Finley, with RJ gone, Pop has no choice. You have to play the cards you are dealt.
    Rest assured, he'll sit Buford's ass down ask for a re-deal if that's all he's got.

    Methinks Pop might blow his stack if he's got more than 2 "noobs" to deal with at once.

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