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    It's incredible that Tim Connelly is the same guy who built Denver around Jokic, MPJ, Gordon and Murray, who drafted Bones Hyland, is now DESTROYING the T-Wolves in this way.
    If this goes through and they give up further assets, it'd be difficult to find a worse series of moves in such a short time frame.
    Yeah, it's almost like the job is mostly about luck or something . . .

    Russell is a lightning rod and I'm no fan, but it always comes back to context and in the situation the Lakers have put themselves in, as I said this is probably about the best they can do.

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    @KeithSmithNBA Danilo Gallinari can be traded to the Spurs. It's a bit of a loophole: SA couldn't re-sign Gallinari. But they can reacquire him via trade after waiving him, because he signed with another team. It's a weird situation, but the takeaway is Gallo can be traded to SA...again.











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    Makes sense for all three teams . . .

    Lakers gets youngish veterans, two of whom can shoot, one of which can also create and a versatile front court defender/rebounder.

    They won't sniff championship contention, but this threads the needle about as well as possible and gives them pseudo puncher's chance to "go on a run".

    Timberwolves get steady veteran hand to "run" the team and get out from having to either extend Russell or have a gaping hole at PG (no cap space or assets).

    Jazz get more draft capital.

    The only "loser" is Westbrook, who's career is probably on the verge of being over.
    Well the weird thing is people are saying the Jazz drop Westbrook once they get him in the trade. But the Jazz are in the 10 spot and are only two losses from being top 4-5. If a playoff team doesn't want Westbrook, who would? Especially when Jazz are trading their point guard.

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    just curious as to where russ ends up.

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    I was told all these trades required our involvement... but here we are, watching from the sidelines.

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    Utah was always a possibility, the difference being LA needs to take back a lot of salary, as opposed to dumping (most of) Westbrook's contract. If that's the way they're going, they can trade with pretty much the entire league, as long as they find a willing partner.

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    Utah was always a possibility, the difference being LA needs to take back a lot of salary, as opposed to dumping (most of) Westbrook's contract. If that's the way they're going, they can trade with pretty much the entire league, as long as they find a willing partner.
    Yep, but this is also the case with almost every trade where this message board has overestimated the Spurs position, assuming we are "necessary" for these deals to happen. There are lots of other ways for these deals to work, and the big deals are happening this way all around us. If we make any deals in the next 24 hours, they are likely to be smaller in nature, teams are figuring it out without us.

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    Well the weird thing is people are saying the Jazz drop Westbrook once they get him in the trade. But the Jazz are in the 10 spot and are only two losses from being top 4-5. If a playoff team doesn't want Westbrook, who would? Especially when Jazz are trading their point guard.
    No reason they'd want a net negative player who'd almost certainly be a malcontent (if he even agreed to report, which is highly unlikely).

    They'd also still be fine in terms of shot creation. Depending on the exact trade, all this would do is clear up the back court log jam, paving the way for Sexton to start and Horton-Tucker or Alexander-Walker to be inserted into the rotation.

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    Elon broke twitter during the last 24 hours of the trade deadline. Good ing luck getting news now

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    Yep, but this is also the case with almost every trade where this message board has overestimated the Spurs position, assuming we are "necessary" for these deals to happen. There are lots of other ways for these deals to work, and the big deals are happening this way all around us. If we make any deals in the next 24 hours, they are likely to be smaller in nature, teams are figuring it out without us.
    Great trades happen when you're able to provide something no one else is capable or willing to, and someone craves desperately. Those conditions are mostly outside of our control, and difficult to predict. In this case, the Spurs do have those assets (cap space, available starting center), but unfortunately buyers at this particular time don't appear to have the sense of urgency required for us to hold them for ransom. We got lucky last season, this one not so much it appears.

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    Yep, but this is also the case with almost every trade where this message board has overestimated the Spurs position, assuming we are "necessary" for these deals to happen. There are lots of other ways for these deals to work, and the big deals are happening this way all around us. If we make any deals in the next 24 hours, they are likely to be smaller in nature, teams are figuring it out without us.
    It’s why my deals always had Sa getting one good pick. Yes, the cap space is valuable but never the only path. Teams balance saving money and other things and can’t overplay your hand

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    Great trades happen when you're able to provide something no one else is capable or willing to, and someone craves desperately. Those conditions are mostly outside of our control, and difficult to predict. In this case, the Spurs do have those assets (cap space, available starting center), but unfortunately buyers at this particular time don't appear to have the sense of urgency required for us to hold them for ransom. We got lucky last season, this one not so much it appears.
    That really is the case unfortunately. We finally found NBA parity in terms of compe ion but draft capital and horrible contracts/buyout candidates are scarce.

    I suspect the 2022-23 Spurs are all getting a 500k bonus.

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    Minny is incompetent

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    I don't think any of this matters a ton. Lakers might make the playoffs.

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    ESPN Sources: The Lakers are finalizing deal to land Minnesota’s D’Angelo Russell, Malik Beasley and Jarred Vanderbilt in trade including Mike Conley and picks to Timberwolves and Russell Westbrook and a lightly protected 2027 LA first-round pick to Jazz.
    Also in deal: Juan Toscano-Anderson and Damian Jones to Jazz, Nickeil Alexander-Walker to the Timberwolves, sources said.
    Minnesota gets 2024 lesser of Washington-Memphis second round pick and 2025 and 2026 second-round picks via Utah, sources tell ESPN.
    The Lakers' 2027 first-round pick to the Jazz is protected 1-to-4, source tells ESPN.
    The Jazz have assembled a massive package of assets -- including 15 unprotected or lightly protected first-round picks through 2029 and a young core of Lauri Markkanen, Walker Kesslier, Collin Sexton and Ochai Agbaji and $60M-plus in potential cap space.

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    Not a horrible move by the Lakers. Not great. Just not horrible. Westbrook is addition by subtraction.

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    Basically Minnesota gets a few seconds + washed up Conley in exchange for D'Angelo Russell. At least they don't give up much value.
    I don't like DLo, but the Lakers at least got rid of Westbrook and landed Malik Beasley for shooting and Vanderbilt as a young wing defender. It's a better package than we could have put together, and the price of a single pick, top 4 protected is better than expected.
    The Jazz sold for the best offer they could find, and now steer their tanking ship to Wemby Land.

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    It's actually not horrible for the TWolves. Conley will help for a couple of seasons. DLo is sort of a headcase. Not great, not terrible.

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    It's actually not horrible for the TWolves. Conley will help for a couple of seasons. DLo is sort of a headcase. Not great, not terrible.
    Yeah. After the Gobert debacle anything that doesn't mortgage their future is acceptable.

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    Honeslty the Wolves need to trade KAT. That dude ain't gonna do in this league.

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    Local media outlets here in Toronto are reporting Massai and Pop had lunch today at Harbour 60. TMZ is reporting a man wearing a custom Spurs jersey numbered 2, with the name “S bag” was arrested for taunting both Massai and Coach Pop.

    The assaulter was defined as looking like a cross between Kim Jong Un, a yellow M&M and the ROFL emojii. He was screaming that the 2019 Raptors le was a “pseudo championship” while ROFL. TD 21

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    I gotta hand it to the Lakers on two solid trades. DLo ain’t great, but he’s an upgrade to Westbrook.

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    lakers got a of a deal. minnesota is laughably incompetent. they felt it was worth it to downgrade from d-russ to washed conley (who they have to pay 24 ml to next season) in exchange for trash and some second rounders? lmao

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    Man, what a bummer. Good trade for the Lakers, bad for us as fans. Brodie made the Lakers fun to watch.

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    lakers got a of a deal. minnesota is laughably incompetent
    Honestly worked out better for them than if they got Flat Earther tbh.

    watch them still miss the playoffs

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