Yes.
On the other hand, I am sure the 25 years old Mr. parker is NOT worried of a breach in his contract, after the ennieme NBA le, with an MVP seasoning on top.
I would dare imagining that at least 1/2 teams might be interested in Mr. parker' skills.
The point I was trying to make was probably too subtle.
I will say it frankly.
Parker is important to the french NT. I am sure that after this, they will be tempted to play him to death, if necessary, untill they get to the Olimpics.
It's money for them.
And if this means banging him up a bit -even QUITE a bit- well, it's none of their business.
No breach of any contract there.
All perfectly legal.
Just too bad, in case.
So when is Parker going to agree that if he gets hurt playing for his national team the Spurs don't have to pay him?
Hmmm maybe the SPURS front office need to look closer to home for players ..
If they do not want to allow them to play for their national teams, then put it in their contracts. It is just interesting to see the 180 taken by the Spurs in the past couple of years.
I saw this one when I was browsing through past pages.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74799
I thought this was not about money for the French, I thought it was about national pride??
hey frenchies, no american gives a if the france national team sucks without tony. in other words, quit your crying.
david stern won't allow it. i'm sure pretty much every american team would do it if that weren't the case.
For all we know maybe Parker is that hurt and doesn't want to play anymore, but wants the Spurs to say he can't.
It's a dream of many international players to come play in the NBA. They come for the money AND the chance to play with the best basketball players in the world. Tony Parker chose to come play in the NBA and he says he is extremely proud to be playing for the San Antonio Spurs. If it was not for the Spurs having the best trainers and training to take Parker to such heights as winning NBA championships and a well deserved MVP trophy, you would not have the player he is today to lead your French team. Think of it that way Bruno.
You provided the Ferrari, the Spurs just gave it better tires and super tuned it. If not for the Spurs investing heavily, he would be the same player he was years ago.
i am agree with you and i am french!
TP has to be sure he is ok with his health...business is business in nba, i follow nba since 1993 and its always the same way, dont change it.
imagine spurs reveals Tp has more we thought???
i will be happy to get tp @ home than to play hurt...
aux français, arreter de dire qu'on aime pas les spurs, ca fait 14 ans que je les kiffe!!! et on est nombreux , les autres sont jaloux de leur succes
si tp est bléssé et bien que le staff des spurs les chek...a ma connaissance il est quand meme le meilleur staf medicale de la nba et ont TOUT le matos nécéssaire pour detecter toute anomalie et soigner...
I don't see the link between what you said and what I said.
I just said that Spurs have chosen to go after international players and when a nba team does this choice, it had to accept that its players will play for their NT this summer.
Sure, if Parker is better now than 6 years ago, it's because great Spurs staff. It has nothing to do with Parker work ethic and a basketball player being better at 25 than at 19.
Spurs have done a great job with Parker but saying what you said is just wrong. Maybe you don't know that but French BB federation spend money on young players to have a good NT. They have a high school called INSEP where they work with best young French prospects. Parker has spend two years at the INSEP and always give them credits for what he is today. Is it fair to spend money on players to have a good NT and not to have them when they pan out ?
If it was not for the French BB federation spending money on Parker and working with him with a high level staff when he was 16/17 years old, you would not have the player he is today to lead our Spurs. Think of it that way ehz33satx.
Last edited by Bruno; 08-01-2007 at 05:30 AM.
The funny thing in this thread is that for once manu's church and oberto's at a lesser extent can understand the problem. Only americans are arguing because they still don't get the NT thing like internationnal posters do. I stopped arguing about NTs about a year ago after TP broken finger.
You beat me to it, Bruno.
I was looking for someone to mention this in this thread. TP is a french federation product. He had his natural abilities and did his part but he did in the INSEP/international compe ions environnment. That's what allowed him to catch scout's eyes.
Besides now that he has 3 NBA rings, one of his remaining goal is the olympics. Olympics are something that makes every athlet dream.
Don't forget that , if TP has very well acclimated to the NBA and the USA (thanks Eva), your native country, the one you grow up in, will always be special. Playing with his buddies, some of them the best he has) is something that allows him to change his air, find his roots back, speak french...His childhood friends, a part of his family is in France.
TP has always said he wanted to make history and FIBA comp., olympics are opportunities of doing so while he's still young. I don't think he'll play for France after 30, or even before. He doesn't want to have regrets at the end of his career. A basketball player career is pretty short.
You also have to know that NBA is not seen by so many people in france. It's on cable TV and if the majority of french people have heard about Tony Parker, few have seen him play.
PS : please some french posters, calm a bit down and don't turn this into a USA-France battle.
From skimming this thread, it looks like Bruno is destroying peeps. A mad Bruno is the wrong poster to mess with.
[QUOTE=Bruno]I find that Spurs are stupid by acting like that.
Either you don't trust French NT medical staff and you don't let Parker play with the NT or you trust them and you don't call him back when Parker has a minor injury.
If Parker is tired or injured during the regular season or the playoffs, Spurs will be the ones to blame not French NT. Parker has a very busy summer and he will have two more Europe/USA travels just because Spurs medical staff don't trust French NT medical staff. Very clever...[/QUOTE=Bruno]
When Spurs signed Parker to his rookie contract, have they said that they won't allow him to play for his NT ? NO
When Spurs signed Parker to his $66M contract, have they said that they won't allow him to play for his NT ? NO
Spurs have invested a lot on money on Parker but they knew that he was French and the he will likely play for his NT. If Spurs want players who don't play during summers, they must sign American players and not international ones.
If Spurs don't want that international players plays for their NT, they should clearly tell them before signing a contract with them.
Spurs have a ty at ude towards international players and their NT. Not letting Manu and Oberto playing with the Argentinean NT and acting with Parker like they do is just disgusting.Destroying? Those are the weakest posts I've seen by a very good poster. Of course the Spurs are going to have Parker back here to assess his ankle injury, They don't know the French doctors from Kevorkian. They want to use their team of doctors they know and trust and their facitlities. There's even a chance if the Spurs paid an insurance poicy n his summer play, their doctors didn't look at him and some serious omplications occured the policy could be voided.From skimming this thread, it looks like Bruno is destroying peeps. A mad Bruno is the wrong poster to mess with.
An across the Atlantic flight wiping out Parker and threatening his season.. I know a 50 year old CEO of a large international compnay who hops around the globe on a constatnt basis logging18 hour work days who's prety spry on a daily basis. I'm pretty sure the 25 year old Parker can handle a premium business class flight sleeping all the way. Eva probably gives him a harder workout.
Spurs having a " ty" at ude toward their international players? They publicly stated it was fine that Parker play this summer but when he turns 30 like Manu they will ask him to limit his play. Manu came out not wanting to play this year first. In all likelihood Spurs are just giving him a graceful way of declining. They even said they expected and endorsed Manu playing in the Olympics.
When it comes to international play and France Bruno loses his objectivity big time and posts some weak
Two questioins for Bruno;
1. When Parker broke his finger last summer wasn't it first not recognized. Even after it was recognized didn't Parker initially try to play? Wasn't it Parker who decided it was too painful to try, not the French doctors telling him he shouldn't. Wasn't it detrmined that if Parker had tried to play he risked further damage and the finger not healing straight?
2. Why is the French basketball federation not paying Diaw's insurance. Why isn't Diaw paying his insurance? On top of his salary are the Suns expected to pay the insurance to let him play for another team?
that's really suck !!
I hope that tp come back to the tournament of strasbourg !!!
picnroll :
tp wants to play the last year , the french doctors would put a splint on his finger . It was tony who wants to play at this time the coaching staff says nothing .
2° The french basketball federation doesn't pay the insurance because they aren't rich . The basket ballisn't the first sport in french ( soccer , bike, and the swimming especially with manaudou) . They search the best for pay the insurrance but maybe diaw would pay like nowitsky for the Deutschland
Actually you could be the stupid one is you don´t spend just a flying ticket from France to S.A to make sure your U$60 M star Point Guard,Finals MVP don´t need special treatment for that enjury,or to find out if there´s something else wrong in there.
Plus,you know Nat teams will try to keep their best players even if they ´re are seriusly injuried.
Bottom line:do spurs trust France NT docs?NO!!,and they shouldn´t.Same with the Arg NT doctors or Slovenian NT Docs.etc.etc.
Last edited by ArgSpursFan; 08-01-2007 at 08:26 AM.
Do you realize that it was a minor injury, rehab was going well and that French NT staff has send MRI results to Spurs.
They could have trust a little French NT medical staff or send a doctor to France to check everything. Instead of that, Pop has called Parker and ask him to go back in SA.
You can laugh as much you want but travel + jet lag isn't the best thing for a professional athlete. Parker should be back in France on August 7th or 8th and French NT will have a game on August 10th.An across the Atlantic flight wiping out Parker and threatening his season.
And last summer, Parker was in SA while his finger is injured and wanted to go to japan to cheer French NT. Spurs staff have said no to that and one of the reason given to Parker was the tiredness due to the travel.
So Spurs let players plays with their NT as much as they want ?
It's the first time that I've read that.
I remember that one summer, Parker has had to go to SA just to convince Pop to let him play with the NT.
Pop hates that Spurs players play with their NT the summer, it's a fact.
When a player want to go with his NT has has to negotiate with Spurs staff. Spurs staff act like they are doing them a favor by letting them playing with their NT. ty at ude.
+1
Some people here should realise that in France Basketball is a minor Sport.
Parker is a Star. But not because he is an NBA player... only because:
- He is a French living the American Dream.
- He is the top paid French Sportsman.
- He married a Star.
But most French never saw him play with the Spurs.
The French NT games are diffused not on national TV (only cable) unless we play the Finals (we are in the same situation for other "minor" sports like handball or volleyball). Pietrus, Petro, Gelabale, Turiaf... even Diaw are almost unknown to the average French citizen.
In the early 90s BB was much more popular (thanks Jordan) here.
Nowdays it is hard for the French Federation. Our clubs don't have money (only small cities who can't afford a soccer team try to build good basketball teams) and all our top players are in the NBA, Spain or Italy.
With the golden generation coming in France there is a chance basketball become a major sports in France. But it will not happen without a great performance during the Olympics when all the media are focused on Sport.
Without Parker, Diaw... (Batum when he will play in the NBA) it will not happen and Basket will stay a minor sport in France.
That is why the French Federation can be really upset. They spent a lot of money on young players. France is becoming an important country in basketball. And at this exact moment... the NBA (Spurs with Parker, Suns with Diaw...) make them understand that they are wasting their money.
1 million $ for the NBA is nothing... for the French Federation it is a lot of money.
The Spurs always complained about being a small market... but have French market available. Let Parker win a gold medal with France in the next Olympics and you will have 60 millions new Spurs fans (well maybe not that much) . It happened with Douillet and Judo, it happened with Manaudou and Swimming, it happened with Handball ("les bronzés"). There is not reason it doesn't work with basketball.
Of course I understand and respect the Spurs decision. But I also think it is not the smartest one.
To finish:
- If the Spurs don't want Parker to play with France they should just tell him and stop acting like a little pain in the ankle means the end of Parker career.
- I still don't understand the difference between Lebron playing for the USA and Parker for France. Maybe the USA should go back to a team made with NCAA players.
the only way to find out how bad it is,is with the S.A doctors Looking at the injury it self,not just with a MRI results.
You can´t find out what kind of inflamation is in the area if you don´t look at the ancle it self,in order to make a diagnostic.
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