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    Actually, in order to sign Baron Davis the Clippers HAVE to renounce Maggette so if they still sign him Maggette's rights are renounced.

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    They don't really have to renounce any rights until they start signing players.
    True. I doubt the Clippers have renounced his rights. It'd make no sense to renounce a player's rights before signing anyone. For all the Clippers knew, Brand could get hurt or Davis could reneg and they'd be caught renouncing a player for no reason.

    Renouncing typically happens on the same day the money is going to be spent. I'm willing to bet that Maggette wasn't renounced .... unless the Clippers are even dumber than I thought.

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    Actually, in order to sign Baron Davis the Clippers HAVE to renounce Maggette so if they still sign him Maggette's rights are renounced.
    That was what people thought but things are achangin' if Brand goes to Philly.

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    lol..no offense taken, but I check about a hundred sports sites, so I cant tell you exactly where I saw it....from what I understand, if Brand was/is going to resign with the Clipps, then the Clipps would renounce Maggs rights, that is the only way they would be able to sign Brand..if Brand signs somewhere else, then the Clipps dont have to renounce Maggs & therefore he could be S&T'd which means the Spurs get screwed because he will get more than the MLE.

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    It doesn't matter either way if they have the capspace to bring him back.
    It actually makes a HUGE difference - because in one scenario the S&T is available and in the other it is not. I don't think that Maggette will return to the Clippers because he has already voiced contempt on them failing to do a long term deal with him in the past (unless they throw a very large check his way) - but I can see a S&T to a contending team for more than the MLE if they still have his rights.

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    if brand rights are not renounced clippers could still offer brand a 6 year deal
    and then the sixers get screwed

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    A sign-and-trade deal can be made even with players who have been renounced
    Eh, so it doesn't even matter if Maggette was or wasn't renounced. The Clippers can sign-and-trade him either way. So, yeah, if Brand goes to Philly, Maggette's chances of landing with the Spurs are zero.

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    True. I doubt the Clippers have renounced his rights. It'd make no sense to renounce a player's rights before signing anyone. For all the Clippers knew, Brand could get hurt or Davis could reneg and they'd be caught renouncing a player for no reason.

    Renouncing typically happens on the same day the money is going to be spent. I'm willing to bet that Maggette wasn't renounced .... unless the Clippers are even dumber than I thought.
    I was going to say, I think you're giving them too much credit. They are the team that is apparently going to lose Brand because they tried to low ball him...

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    It actually makes a HUGE difference - because in one scenario the S&T is available and in the other it is not.
    False. He can be signed-and-traded whether or not he was renounced.

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    But if Davis still signs with the Clippers even if Brand goes to the Sixers then Maggettes rights are still renounced.

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    or was it Brand that got his rights renounced? if so Brand could be pulling a Boozer.


    Clippers Renounce Brand To Get Davis?

    According to a report in the L.A. Times, in order for the Clippers to sign Baron Davis to the agreed contract, the team had to renounce their bird rights to Elton Brand, ruling out the possibility of a sign and trade and also restricting the Clippers to the maximum five contract years to which the Sixers and Warriors are also binded.

    With bird rights, the Clippers could have offered Brand a six year deal.

    The Clippers still desperately want to keep their former All-Star power forward but can offer, at most, a 5 year, $70 million contract, according to the article.

    The Sixers are believed to be preparing an offer which will push the value up to around $80 million while it is believed that the Warriors have offered a contract close to $90 million for the same number of years.

    A decision on Brand's future is expected to come soon.

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    False. He can be signed-and-traded whether or not he was renounced.

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    Eh, so it doesn't even matter if Maggette was or wasn't renounced. The Clippers can sign-and-trade him either way. So, yeah, if Brand goes to Philly, Maggette's chances of landing with the Spurs are zero.
    Guess we'll be seeing the Spurs signing Delfino or re-signing Michael Finley for the MLE

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    The scariest red flag to me is that Carney trade to Minnesota. That looks like a trade that is made only after you get assurances that Brand is coming. Trading away a first rounder makes sense if you can add Brand. Trading away a first rounder when you might have to settle for Maggette is pretty dumb.

    That trade makes me think Brand to Philly is legit
    yeah I'm thinking the same thing. I have to wonder how busy David Faulk's cell phone is right about now.

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    Guess we'll be seeing the Spurs signing Delfino or re-signing Michael Finley for the MLE
    . I think I'd rather have Finley.

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    Who would've ever guessed in a million years that this summer, other teams would play actively, make things happen, and reach agreements, while the Spurs played it cheap and passively, slowly watching every good option they had go to another team....I sure didn't.


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    . I think I'd rather have Finley.


    Yeah Delfino versus Finley is like asking if you want HITA or HOTP.

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    This is pretty ty.

    But this is hilarious:


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    brand was not cheap

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    Who would've ever guessed in a million years that this summer, other teams would play actively, make things happen, and reach agreements, while the Spurs played it cheap and passively, slowly watching every good option they had go to another team....I sure didn't.

    What more could the Spurs have done in Maggette's case?

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    Who would've ever guessed in a million years that this summer, other teams would play actively, make things happen, and reach agreements, while the Spurs played it cheap and passively, slowly watching every good option they had go to another team....I sure didn't.

    The Spurs have actually been one of the most active and ambitious teams this summer. Can't really blame the Spurs for the Clippers somehow finding a way to screw things up yet again.

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    The Sixers are believed to be preparing an offer which will push the value up to around $80 million while it is believed that the Warriors have offered a contract close to $90 million for the same number of years.
    If it basically comes down to signing with the team that will pay him the most, I don't see why Brand wouldn't just sign with GS.

    I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that he is using the Sixers to leverage a better offer from the Clippers.

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    Wow. If true, great signing by Philly. They were a tough team the second half of last season. They had become a defensively tough-minded team and now with Brand, they will be a team to be reckoned with...maybe Top 4.

    I have been secretly hoping that the Spurs can lure Posey away from Boston, even though it may mean a 3-year commitment.

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    If true this might actually help the spurs. If Brand leaves then they could make a serious offer to Josh Smith. The clippers I mean.

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    Philly would be much improved with Brand.

    Posey would make a good Spur. I don't think Maggette is coming here...especially now.

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