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Huh? What are you talking about?how about 2 NBA les in the last 6 years?
Manu should go over Peja, not because he's better, but because he's played better more consistantly over the first half of the season. Manu's had a couple monster games, Peja's having a fairly mediocre season compared to last year.
Huh? What are you talking about?how about 2 NBA les in the last 6 years?
lets not get out of hand here, nash isn't making marion what he is, or his numbers. marion has been putting these same numbers up the previous 4 years before the arrival of Nash.NO.
Steve Nash make it ALL happen. That's why they are winning those games. That's why Amare is having the best season of his career.Marion, too. And the reason Nash an early MVP favorite. Amare & Marion played last season together, they didn't win much.
Remember, when Nash got injured? Remember those losing streak?
Nash & Amare are just my picks. Nash for being the top pt. guard this season. Amare as a solid backup for Yao(if Miller can't make it).
Shawn Marion:
00-01 17.3 pts 10.7 rbs
01-02 19.1 pts 9.9 rbs
02-03 21.2 pts 9.5 rbs
03-04 19.0 pts 9.3 rbs
04-05 19.4 pts 10.9 rbs
I don't see why he shouldn't be an all-star
Milkyway, it is not unheard of for 3 All-Stars from the same team being picked.
, in I think it was 97-98, the Lakers had 4. Shaq, Kobe, Van Exel and Eddie Jones.
Dallas may have had 3 with Nowitzki, Nash and Finley though I am not sure. I think in 93-94 the Bulls had Pippen, Grant and Armstrong as well.
I think Finley was hurt, but they never have played 3 mavs.
Well, I know that the Lakers had 4 and am 75% sure that the Bulls had 3 the year after Jordan retired.
Yao was the starter..
will there be more than 4 guards?
my picks:Steve Nash Manu Stoudemire Nowitzki Webber
Ray Allen Peja
ummmm...according to an article in another thread, while the coaches must pick "a center", they are not locked to the players listed positions.
yes...here it is...posted in http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10121
Manu has had a better year than all the other reserve choices if you add in the gold medal.
3 Players for the Sun's!!
No Way Jose
Pau Gasol is on the IL and won't be available for the all star game.
*cries* as well as all the other french to see that TP won't go to ASG this year...
Would have been awesome, but let's hope he keeps playing like he did the past few weeks and gets in there next year. go tony go
The decision isn't made yet. I just can't imagine the coachs won't take at least two Spurs players for the ASG, as San Antonio is currently leading the league, and I still think it is possible that both Manu and Tony makes it if Kobe won't play and also because the Suns will get 3 players and are behind the Spurs.
If They had to choose between the two players, it will be hard. I think the statistics and contribution to the team factors don't make a clear choice between Manu and Tony. Then there is two scenarios possible:
_They decide to pick Manu because they want the most spectacular player.
_They choose Tony because he is the second best PG in the Western.
I don't understand why people are still picking guys like Stojakovic who is just a shooter, he can't defend and he contributes poorly for rebound and assists, he is not having a good season.
You can't take both Gasol and Brand, 4 PF would be too much for only one game (and I am not counting neither KG nor Amare),.
No way Peja should get a nod. Stats alone, I take Bibby over Parker.
I don't think Pau or Rashard Lewis really deserve it this year. Lewis over Gasol, though.
Kirilenko doesn't deserve consideration. He's been too hurt and his team stinks too much.
Not sure about Marion. The Spurs deserve two before Phoenix gets three.
Unfortunately that's not how things work.
Reserves West:
Center: Amare Stoudemire
Forwards: Dirk Nowitzki, Shawn Marion, Chris Webber
Guards: Steve Nash, Ray Allen, Emmanuel Ginobili
Full team west:
Centers: Yao Ming, Amare Stoudemire
Forwards: Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki, Shawn Marion, Chris Webber
Guards: Tracy McGrady, Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, Ray Allen, Emmanuel Ginobili
italics: starters voted in.
3 players from the Suns
2 players from the Spurs
2 players from the Rockets (voted in)
1 player from the Sonics
1 player from the Kings
1 player from the Mavericks
1 player from the Timberwolves (voted in)
1 player from the Lakers (voted in)
The reserves were picked considering team records as well. The Suns, Spurs, Sonics, Kings, and Mavs all have good records and deserve a player in the ASG.
It could come down to Shard, Elton Brand, Manu, Parker, Bibby, Peja and even a guy like Jrich (who I do not think deserves to make it, but will get considered cause of pure ac ulated stats).
Problem is Manu might not get as much respect cause he does not average 20ppg or anything like that. So Shard might get the nod. I just hope they do not take Richardson before any of these guys, same with Peja who has been having a mediocre season.
But then again, it is all about the entertainment, and not always about the best players. Hard to judge that type of stuff anyway, so many variables.
But of course I would like to see Manu + TP get the nod and serious consideration. Would be fun to see another Spur there.
The "2 guys from the Spurs before 3 guys from the Suns" argument would make sense, if you had a group sitting down to decide the issue. But that's not how All-Star reserves are selected.
As I understand the process, each coach has a ballot and each coach votes for 2 guards, 2 forwards, 1 center (or center-like player -- Stoudemire may have been listed as a forward on the ballot, but he's started every game this season at Center, according to the NBA's official boxscores), and 2 "wild cards." When the 15 coaches have submitted their ballots, the league will tally them. The top 2 guards make it, as do the top 2 forwards and the top center. After that, it's entirely a matter of which "other" players have the most votes. It's possible that some coaches will use the "2 Spurs before 3 Suns" mentality, but unless the majority do that, the idea won't really come into play in selecting the all-star reserves.
It's entirely a question of how divided the voting is at any position and how unanimous it is on the "wild cards." I'd think that coaches will bow to the pressure to include Manu (and I suspect the NBA would love to have Manu there, if only to ensure that every soul in Argentina wil watch the All-Star game).
Manu's inclusion would be much less of a question if it were a U.S. v. World setup.
You haven't seen much of Marion, have you?
Ha, Marc Stein from ESPN.com picked exactly the same reserves I proposed.
Thursday, February 3, 2005
Seven super subs
By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
OK. Now for the rest of the argument.
The fans have spoken. If you want to see Vince Carter and Grant Hill line up opposite Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett for the opening jump at the Pepsi Center on Feb. 20 ... it's your game.
Let's proceed to the next source of contention: All-Star reserves. On Tuesday, we'll learn the official iden ies of the seven East and West backups, but ESPN.com can't wait. So herewith are the Stein Line benches for each conference, following the same selection guidelines that the coaches get from the league.
That's two forwards, two guards, one center and two wild cards in each conference, with the coaches permitted to vote for players without being locked in to the positions they're listed at on the All-Star ballot.
Ready ...
... to debate?
Western Conference reserves
Guards: Steve Nash and Ray Allen
Allen
Nash
The case: If you read my mythical All-Star ballot -- mythical because I don't believe in punching actual ballots, since they belong to the fans -- you know that Nash and Allen would have been my choices to start over Kobe Bryant and Tracy McGrady. As such, Nash and Allen are slam-dunk reserve choices, given that Phoenix and Seattle still rank as the biggest surprise teams in the league. West coaches won't need 10 seconds to fill these two spots.
Forwards: Dirk Nowitzki and Chris Webber
Webber
Nowitzki
The case: Kevin Garnett is so consumed by winning that I suspect even he didn't protest too loudly Tuesday night when he heard on ESPN2 that the NBA Nation crew would have voted for Nowitzki as the West's other starter at forward alongside Tim Duncan. That's because KG, like me, puts team success above all else. Yet there's no shame for Nowitzki losing out to Duncan and Garnett in the fan vote, as both are playing at their usual MVP standard and because every good forward in the West knows there isn't much chance of unseating one of those two in the balloting process. Nowitzki's success as the fast-emerging leader of the new Mavericks nonetheless makes him an obvious first choice in this category, and Webber beats out the typically deep field of frontcourt contenders for the second slot because the Kings, at 31-14 despite their thinned-out bench, have to have an All-Star. And Webber is the most sensible Kings choice, having maintained his effectiveness and versatility (as well as drastically improving his free-throw shooting) despite the physical limitations imposed on him by ongoing knee trouble.
Center: Amare Stoudemire
Stoudemire
The case: Stoudemire prefers to be known as a forward, but he's a center by default for the Suns and thus an instant selection here. The coaches, remember, do not have to strictly follow the All-Star ballot when making their picks ... as long as the player in question really plays multiple positions. Stoudemire has been so impressive that he'll claim this spot in even fewer than 10 seconds, although Sacramento's Brad Miller deserves some kudos for making a nice late run.
Wild cards: Shawn Marion and Manu Ginobili
Ginobili
Marion
The case: In this conference, which isn't as mighty as it used to be but is still teeming with parity, we lean heavily on the team-success tiebreaker for help. The Spurs, for example, have to have a second All-Star in our world, as the reigning le favorites approaching the All-Star break. As San Antonio's second-best player, statistically and intangibly, Ginobili thus beats out Tony Parker to join Duncan. Marion, meanwhile, makes it here because the Suns are right there record-wise with the Spurs, which gives them the rare justification to send a third All-Star to Denver after last season's 29-53 nightmare. It doesn't hurt that Marion's production is questionably All-Star caliber; he's averaging 19.4 points, 10.9 rebounds, 2.2 steals and 1.4 blocks as a 6-7 power forward.
The leading snubees: Memphis' Pau Gasol is becoming a regular customer here, although it was tougher to exclude him this season after his role in the Grizzlies' turnaround from a 5-11 start. Seattle's Rashard Lewis was equally tough to snub, as you can argue that the Sonics deserve two All-Stars as much as Phoenix deserves three. The Clippers' ever-steady Elton Brand is bound to be excluded by the coaches again, even though he gets better every year, and Utah's Andrei Kirilenko was headed for certain Defensive Player of the Year honors -- and a second consecutive All-Star appearance -- before a knee injury sidelined him. Parker, Sacramento's Mike Bibby and Golden State's Jason Richardson (a stretch given the Warriors' struggles) are the only other guards on the radar. Yet the big disappointment, of course, is that the host Nuggets won't come close to getting anyone on the West roster. Not Kenyon Martin, and not Carmelo Anthony.
Marion can play good D but no Suns this year, including Marion, is playing D with the intensity or commitment Spurs players are, particularly Manu or Bowen.
Parker: 33.6 min, 15.8 points, 6.2 assists, 3.7 rebounds, 1.06 steals, 2.69 TO, 49%FG
Ginobili: 29.8 min, 15.9 points, 4 assists, 4.4 rebounds, 1.76 steals, 2.28 To, 49% FG
I think it is difficult to tell if Manu is better Tony intangibly, but it is wrong to say he is better statistically, there stats are almost the same.
Anybody see that Marty Burns of CNN is arguing that Kirilenko should be taken over Manu this year?
On sheer value, without regard to anything that has happened this season, his point is probably well-taken. But since Kirilenko has missed around 1/3 of the pre-break games, I can't see that he's got a leg to stand on in performance terms.
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