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    ...........We need to tell all of these jackasses in Washington to go to get the out of the way!!! I want nothing more for Christmas than to put my foot in this womans' ass. She is the most stupidest thing thing i've seen with skin.
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    Pelosi: At-risk Dems back drilling
    By: Martin Kady II and Patrick O'Connor
    August 5, 2008 11:43 PM EST

    California Democrat Nancy Pelosi may be trying to save the planet — but the rank and file in her party increasingly are just trying to save their political hides when it comes to gas prices as Republicans apply more and more rhetorical muscle.

    But what looks like intraparty tension on the surface is part of an intentional strategy in which Pelosi takes the heat on energy policy, while behind the scenes she’s encouraging vulnerable Democrats to express their independence if it helps them politically, according to Democratic aides on and off Capitol Hill.

    Pelosi’s gambit rests on one big assumption: that Democrats will own Washington after the election and will be able to craft a sweeping energy policy that is heavy on conservation and fuel alternatives while allowing for some new oil drilling. Democrats see no need to make major concessions on energy policy with a party poised to lose seats in both chambers in just three months — even if recess-averse Republicans continue to pound away on the issue.

    “The reality is we will have a new president in three months, and what Bush and the Republicans are trying to do amounts to a land grab for the oil companies,” said one senior House Democratic aide involved with party strategy. “I don’t think we have to give in at all pre-election — we have many more options postelection.”

    It’s a reality that Rep. Nick J. Rahall (D-W.Va.) personally delivered to President Bush recently.

    Rahall spent more than an hour last week talking to the president about energy. Bush spent the entire flight aboard Air Force One, and much of a subsequent limousine ride, grilling the West Virginia Democrat about legislative solutions to the high price of gasoline, Rahall said last week.

    So, does the president think Congress can get anything done this year?

    “No,” Rahall replied in a short interview with Politico. “He’s realistic about it.”

    Asked if Congress will produce a comprehensive energy bill in September before Congress adjourns again for elections, Rahall replied, “This year? No.”

    Instead, the chairman of the House Committee on Natural Resources believes Democrats are all about 2009.

    “We’ve laid the groundwork this year,” Rahall said.

    Democratic House aides say the energy agenda has been carefully gamed out in strategy sessions, and Pelosi always intended to take heat on gas prices while tacitly encouraging more vulnerable Democrats to publicly disagree with her and show their independence.

    Freshman Democrats like Jason Altmire of Pennsylvania and Don Cazayoux of Louisiana have taken her up on the offer.

    Altmire has said a drilling vote “will happen,” while Cazayoux, hoping to hang on to his seat in a conservative Baton Rouge-area district, on Friday sent a letter to Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) demanding a vote on more domestic oil exploration.

    “There will be a vote,” said Altmire, who faces a rematch with former GOP Rep. Melissa Hart this fall in the Pittsburgh suburbs.

    Indeed, Congress must vote before Sept. 30 to renew the annual moratorium; otherwise, it will lapse on its own, giving states the right to decide whether private companies can search for potential drilling sites three miles offshore. .

    “My view is that if we have a vote, let’s make it a rational policy,” said Altmire, whose district includes viable coal and nuclear industries. “We can’t let Republicans hold this issue hostage because of one vote.”

    Cazayoux, in his letter, says “the current debate seems to be bogged down in partisan one-upmanship.”

    To some extent, House Republicans seem to be playing right along with the strategy, taking Pelosi’s name in vain dozens of times during their rebel House sessions over the past few days and making her the villain who won’t allow oil drilling votes.

    “It’s grossly unfair to the Democrats who want a vote,” said Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas). “[Pelosi] needs to cut that out.”

    The Senate has also gone with a run-out-the-clock strategy, with Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) calling for a bipartisan energy summit but promising no major energy votes. Reid embraced the drilling and conservation proposals of the bipartisan Senate “Gang of 10” last week, but he made further commitment on the energy debate.

    Reid, like Pelosi, is expecting to have a much stronger governing majority in the Senate next year, so he has little incentive to give in to Republicans on energy policy as long as he thinks it won’t hurt Democrats.

    Even as they face heat from cons uents during the August break, Democrats say they aren’t going to cave in to popular pressure.

    “We feel pretty comfortable with where we are,” said Rep. Michael E. Capuano (D-Mass.), who is close to the Democratic leadership. “This is a not a new issue. This just didn’t happen today. We’ve been working on this for months.”

    Democratic insiders said that Pelosi and other party leaders were “not rattled” by the GOP floor rebellion, and at this point, it’s not clear if the Democrats will even pay a price on energy. State-level polling conducted by Democrats suggests that voters still view President Bush and the GOP as the in bent power in Washington, and Democratic strategists believe any anti-in bent wave would hurt Republicans more than Democrats.

    Rep. Jeb Hensarling of Texas, one of the leaders of the rogue GOP House session, said he realizes that Democrats are “in a four-corners stall right now,” and admits that “it gets more challenging” for Republicans if they lose more seats in Congress.

    Democrats are also comforted somewhat by the fact that crude oil prices have gone down more than 10 percent from their summer highs, and if the U.S. economy enters a recession, prices may fall further due to slackening demand.

    “There is no crisis on our side of the aisle,” a top House Democratic leadership aide said. “We have a plan, and we will stick to it.”

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    Republicans have to run on something I suppose....and lies are what have been driving the McCain campaign since he decided to let the Rovians take over his camp....
    Riiiight. Only the Republicans lie. The Demos are honest, just look at what their ethanol policies have done for this country! Oh wait...

    The bottom line is the Republicans were searching for something they could win on this fall, and the environmental whackos on the left in Congress gave it to them with the prospect of domestic drilling.

    Say what you want to about Rovian tactics, I like them a lot better than the tree hugger stupidity of Nancy and her friends.

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    Yes, there's a world market for crude oil. Market prices will bear out the prices on said market based on the *supply*. If the oil companies drill here, then the volume of said supply would go up, driving demand (and prices) down.

    Silly liberals, it's called ECON101. And not to mention the transportation costs of shipping crude around the world vs. pumping it locally...
    I don't think lib s are intelligent enough to understand these simple concepts.

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    Meanwhile, wing-nuts continue to spin that any added oil we drill from off-shore drilling or ANWR will stay in the U.S to drop domestic prices at the pump .......WRONG!


    If We Drill in the U.S., We Don't Get the Oil
    By Cenk Uygur, Huffington Post. Posted August 1, 2008.





    Cenk Uygur is co-host of The Young Turks, the first liberal radio show to air nationwide.
    Who said it would stay here? Have any credible names? I would really like to see in context quotes please. These demoncraps are pundits for the demonrats and lie all the time.

    It makes sense that the oil from both will stay in the USA, but that's not a given. If it is not "light sweet" crude, the oil companies will likely sell it to other countries and take that money to buy more of the light sweet on the market. There is the logistics also. Oil from ANWR might be shipped to Asian countries rather than piped to the continental USA. Is the pipeline at capacity? If so, that is rather likely. If any of that Alaskan oil is moved by tanker, it may be best to sell it to the closest ports. Especially if it isn't high grade oil.

    Oil is a world commodity. Any increase of the supply decreases the price for the same demand level. Any decrease of supply makes the price increase.

    Isn't it funny how the demonrats say releasing some of the strategic oil reserves will lower the prices, but drilling for more will not. Do you lib s really believe their lies?

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    Oil is a world commodity. Any increase of the supply decreases the price for the same demand level. Any decrease of supply makes the price increase.
    Increasing supply 5-10 years from now will do nothing to lower the price at the pump today and very little to lower the price in the future, but by tapping the strategic oil reserves, you help break the back of Wall Street money that is speculating the price of gasoline beyond that capable by normal market supply and demand...

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    Increasing supply 5-10 years from now will do nothing to lower the price at the pump today
    Lowering the price at the pump isn't the main objective, demand will be up 5-10 years from now, so increasing supply makes perfect sense.


    by tapping the strategic oil reserves you help break the back of Wall Street money that is speculating the price of gasoline beyond that capable by normal market supply and demand...
    U.S. demand for oil has dropped 800,000 bpd, no need to get into the strategic reserves at this time. Besides that, once the released reserves have reached their saturation point (you do realize that it's a temporary fix?), then the speculators are right back at it.

    You might beat greed for a moment, but it's not going to go away.

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    Increasing supply 5-10 years from now will do nothing to lower the price at the pump today and very little to lower the price in the future, but by tapping the strategic oil reserves, you help break the back of Wall Street money that is speculating the price of gasoline beyond that capable by normal market supply and demand...
    One of my roommates from college is an oil geophysicist. The 5-10 year time frame is simply liberal propaganda to try and push the drill now segment of our society to the side.

    People in the industry believe that we would see oil being delivered to market inside of 18 months from the word go. Certainly a lot faster than any of this fusion mumbo jumbo the left wants to hang our hat on can be brought to market in any economy of scale.

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    aggie, you're a dip . ask your ROOMMATE what amer. oil cos will do with this oil.

    are you that ing stupid?

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    Why don't you ask your oil geophysicist roommate why the oil cos. aren't pumping oil out of the ground from the millions of acres they already lease? And where's our royalties?

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    I hope we drill this motha a dry!

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    Why drill? Oil use is down, pumping is up and the price at the pump is stagnant...

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    Things change. Oil will go back up. The price at the pump will go back up. Bambi, lets drill everything we got while investing in renewables

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    ...there is no current energy source that is currently as cheap as oil, even at $4 per gallon, oh sure we can expand our usage of wind-power, natural gas, , even shale oil, but none of these things are going to let us all as a world continue to live in relative peace and geopolitical balance the way cheap oil has for the last 60 years....there will be many more wars until we find a alternative energy source that is as efficient and effective as oil..

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    If you want to read more on the correlation between fossil fuel and worldwide population growth:

    You can start here

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    Oilcos America every chance they get. It's their fiduciary duty. ============ US Oil Exports Hit Record Pace. That's Right, Exports "Who knew that the US is currently exporting 1.8 million barrels of oil a day?" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-...tml?view=print the OCS lease is pure charace to lock up the leases (not for drilling) while dubya is in office.

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    Why don't you ask your oil geophysicist roommate why the oil cos. aren't pumping oil out of the ground from the millions of acres they already lease? And where's our royalties?
    Just because the feds have given them a lease doesn't mean that it's affordable for them to drill there, even with the current prices.

    Oh wait, you libs want them drill the oil out of all their leases even if it means oil would go up to over $200 a barrel. After all, you want to punish anyone not driving a piece of Yaris for consuming too much of the evil fossil fuels anyway...

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    Who knew that the US is currently exporting 1.8 million barrels of oil a day?
    Everyone who pays attention to facts know that we export some of our oil.

    No new news here.

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    Here's a 2007 image.

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    Everyone who pays attention to facts know that we export some of our oil.

    No new news here.
    thanks for admitting the republican chants about ending dependency from foreign oil is a hoax.

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    thanks for admitting the republican chants about ending dependency from foreign oil is a hoax.
    I thought Barack was chanting that?

    But I guess thats above Barack's pay grade though.

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