Demolishing The NBA Salary Cap...

[ss1986v2]

To a certain degree it does. If they do not throw stupid amounts of money at worthless players, then they would have more money to spend when free agency hits. They can also make smarter trades and get players rights.They also have their own players rights. When they have those players rights they can sign them to what ever they want pretty much.

we dont disagree on this topic i think. i was simply stating that when you impose no restriction on how teams spend, the team that do spend the most inevitable field the most consistently compe ive teams (see: mlb). the nba currently has restrictions in place, which alters this above statement, which in my opinion is a good thing. it rewards teams that do make both sound fiscal and personnel decisions.

[DPG21920]

Ill take your word on the facts but the spurs are a cheap team, and an older team that has vested players at the upper level of pay range so they are special case, my problem is with guys who are 9th 10th ect men getting 3-4 or more mil pr year, I think this is hurting the leauge.

You dont find 3rd string QBs making 3-4 mil pr yr why should we have a 12th man making 3 pr yr the next 2yrs?

If you move to incentive based contracts with bonuses, that would not do anything to help bad management. Just like in football, where guys like Vick got way overpaid, you would still have the same problem. Cowboys spend money, they have not won a playoff game in years.

In the NBA you can renounce players rights, trade them, buy them out, cut them. You do not have to give someone money just because you have it. Evidently the feel it necessary to have a 12th man on the roster or else every team would just have minimum players to fill those spots.

[DPG21920]

Here is a link to the salaries of every team, but the Spurs in particular are shown. It is a good site to look at salaries fyi:

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pa...ries/spurs.jsp

[DPG21920]

we dont disagree on this topic i think. i was simply stating that when you impose no restriction on how teams spend, the team that do spend the most inevitable field the most consistently compe ive teams (see: mlb). the nba currently has restrictions in place, which alters this above statement, which in my opinion is a good thing. it rewards teams that do make both sound fiscal and personnel decisions.

Exactly. The soft-cap is the perfect way to run a league imo. You can still spend all the money you want (for the most part), but there are penalties and repercussions for bad management decisions.

[L.I.T]

Eventually, the owners of these European basketball clubs are going to be expecting a return on their investment. Teams in the NBA spend $50-100M just for player salaries and reap some sort of monetary benefit: whether it be from ticket sales, merchandising, television, advertising etc. Spurs fans are pretty familiar with this since it's the most common accusation hurled at Peter Holt (ie. a cheap bas whose prioritizing cost effective spending to maintain a solid bottomline). Donald Sterling has been using the LA Clippers as a cash cow for years: spending just enough to keep them compe ive, but not enough to cut into his profits.

Right now the European teams are awash with crazy amounts of liquidity: funds flowing from oil companies and also the dollar/euro exchange rate. But, no matter what, the owners of those teams aren't altruistic angels; its all fun and games right now, but eventually they will expect some sort of ROI. If that doesn't materialize, then why would they continue to sink money into a losing proposition? Prestige?

The United States is still the dominant advertising market in the world. Asia is fast coming up as well and the NBA has been spending the last few years making sure they have a solid handle on this market. I live in Asia and I NEVER hear about European teams. Would I if lets say Lebron moved to a European team? Possibly, but there would be no name recognition or cachet for the brand or the league, unlike what the NBA has right now. That is something that then has to be built through massive advertising dollars and market penetration. They would have to go on a huge information campaign to educate the global market.

The case to study right now is not the mid-tier talent migrating to Europe, but David Beckham. He was given an astronomical contract in an attempt to raise the profile of the MLS in the United States and globally. Is it working? Do soccer fans in Europe and Latin American care about the MLS and the LA Galaxy?

All of this is a roundabout way of saying, the NBA should not get rid of the salary cap. They've tried it without one and eventually lower-tier teams would get squeezed out and operating expenses astronomically sky-rocket to the point where all teams would probably start losing money. That's not fiscally sound for the NBA as a league and each NBA team.

[DPG21920]

He starts because they have no one else, he is a lazy overpaid loser. Thats why they went out and got Diop. Damp may get a job in the NBA but not at 10 pr year. And Dallas has to play him because he does make 10pr yr, he and his contract have limited them to what they can do to improve.

Its ashamed Dirk will never win a le because Dallas payroll will prohibit them from improving.

That is just not true. Dampier was not the only option when they signed him. They could of signed someone else. He can play and is not a bad center. He is not worth 10M in my opinion, but he would help a lot of teams, including the Spurs.

If Mark Cuban was the Spurs owner, the Spurs would be in the same position as the Mavs. That is not a league problem, that is a management problem.

[rj215]

That is just not true. Dampier was not the only option when they signed him. They could of signed someone else. He can play and is not a bad center. He is not worth 10M in my opinion, but he would help a lot of teams, including the Spurs.

If Mark Cuban was the Spurs owner, the Spurs would be in the same position as the Mavs. That is not a league problem, that is a management problem.

Small market teams (like the Spurs) need the salary cap or they'll die.
What NBA execs need are guts and brains:

Cuban essentially gave up Nash for Dampier...brilliant!

Then he traded for 65 year old Ason Kidd...nice!

Then he wouldn't include Josh Howard in a trade for Ron Artest...probably stupid.

[wildbill2u]

What is generally considered to be the biggest, most popular sport worldwide? Football or Soccer and its star players get super compensation.

Yet, twice that I know of, superstars from that sport (Pele and the English guy) have jumped to leagues in the US for additional insane money contracts and from a desire to improve the sport in the US.

If it can happen to the biggest sport in the world, why not the NBA?

[K-State Spur]

What is generally considered to be the biggest, most popular sport worldwide? Football or Soccer and its star players get super compensation.

Yet, twice that I know of, superstars from that sport (Pele and the English guy) have jumped to leagues in the US for additional insane money contracts and from a desire to improve the sport in the US.

If it can happen to the biggest sport in the world, why not the NBA?

it should be noted that both of those players were well past their primes before making the US jump.

[DDS4]

to the NO.

Look at baseball and there's your answer. Even with a cap, it's all about big market teams like the Knicks, Lakers, and Celtics. You can imagine it'll be infinitely worse without a cap, with all big name free agents going to larger market teams with money.

If it means sacrificing a Childress or Arroyo going overseas, it's worth it to keep the cap.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Hawks had his rights and he was a restricted free agent..so other teams had to go above the matched offer..no one wanted to do that though..

The Hawks could have matched the Euro offer but chose not to. In essence, a team with cap room made him an offer, Atlanta could have matched but passed.

[lotr1trekkie]

The current NBA systems works to protect less affluent owners and smaller markets. ANY so called solution that permitted the so called BIGS to buy up the superstars would be a disaster for the NBA. In 2010 if KING JAMES wants to go to play for Tau or Moscow or some Greek team [I can't spell]---let him go! Euros idolize soccer players, bikers and downhill racers more. King James becomes just prince James. If Tony Parker wants to go back to France in two years for 3 times the money so be it. Ditto Manu! NBA fans altready pay through the nose to make NBA players rich. If that ain't enough---we need to wish them God's speed and never retire their jerseys.

[Mark in Austin]

As big a prick as Stern is this is right in his wheelhouse and he's already probably working on something like this.

Truth.

[wijayas]

No way. The Peter Holt's of the world won't be able to compete with the Paul Allen's of the world...