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Brad Miller?
Before I forget, Malik is also not afraid to go strong to the rim, unlike a certain starting center in the Western Conference...
Brad Miller?
You are overlooking something: Rose's contract does not fit into the Spurs' long term budget. That is what this has been all about from day one. The Spurs are making a decision based on their desire to squeeze a few bucks out of player salaries instead of a basketball one.
The Spurs will be capped out regardless of what happens with Rose. Considering that the Spurs are looking at a free agent market for bigmen which has guys like Brian Cardinal and Adonal Foyle commanding long term deals for $40 mil guaranteed, moving a proven big and playoff performer like Rose (with a contract that is basically the league average per annum) makes little sense.
You honestly feel that they would move Rose if they felt that by doing so they would in any way jeopardize their chances to win a le this year? Come on!
What else do you call moving Rose for 38 year old playoff nonperformer Cliff Robinson?
Yes. Where the have you been?
I call your particular evaluation of such a move incorrect.
So the Spurs are tanking the season.
Next time ask somebody to help you instead of REACHING for it.
This franchise has made moves (and avoided some) before that were long term in nature and which could definitely be seen as hurting their immediate le chances.
Passing on a Payton for Parker offer in the summer of 2001 is the first one that comes to mind (that will be an upcoming feature in FSP Recollections©). Another is letting Derek Anderson depart and taking back Steve Smith in the S&T, also in 2001.
If we want to go back into Spurs history there was also the time Spurs owner Billy Joe "Red" McCombs passed on a trade offer of Charles Barkley for Terry mings and Willie Anderson. That was in the summer of 1992. Barkley went on to have a MVP season and carry his new team to the NBA Finals.
If Malik was making the minimum, nobody would talk about trading him.
The contract is the #1 issue. He contributes when he plays, but they don't play him. Whatever, this is like a dog chasing his tail.
The way Im reading that Manny, it says, TANK IMO.they would move Rose if they felt that by doing so they would in any way jeopardize their chances to win a le this year?
You agreed with that.
You think they want to tank the season, a 39-11 season by trading the 2nd big man off the bench?
And I explained above why your call itself was incorrect.
And for your next birthday ask for a dictionary.
jeopardize
v 1: pose a threat to; present a danger to; "The pollution is endangering the crops" [syn: endanger, jeopardise, menace, threaten, imperil, peril] 2: put at risk
Do you still think it means to tank?
It's not "tanking" but it is definitely a move with something other than basketball in mind.
I agree, it does JEOPARDIZE the chance to win a ring.
IMO, it flat out kills the season.
I dont know why the theyd trade for a dope smoking stiff like him to begin with.
7 mill to play with in the offseason aint alot.
Now if they could package Rose and Rasho for supposedly Boozer who the Jazz want to get rid of.
NOW WERE TALKIN!
Even if Rose comes off the cap, that wouldn't put them $7 mil under the cap (also Rose is slated to make about $6 mil in 2005-06). But even assuming it did, most if would go to Scola and Brown.
4 of it woudl I agree.
The other 2 would be spent on someone worthless.
If it was a legit 7, that youd have after Brown and Scola, then I could see doing this, ala going for a Stromile Swift.
This trade, anyway you cut it, sucks.
Period. Rose is getting back in his groove, and is playing his way out of the casa de perro.
Come on Spurs, chill out on the trade rumors, sign Malone, cut Marks, be done with the moves for the season.
True, I talked about Davis here on the forum. Cliff is just something that I brought up to LJ the other night (off the forum) when I went through all the NBA players with expiring contracts that are making Malik-ish salary.Kori,
I remember you bringing up a similar trade like this, but with Dale Davis being the name not Clifford Robinson.
Here's a way to look at it: if you move Rose for an old guy with an expiring contract then you are reducing your team's talent base. You are also betting a lot on Scola. The Spurs could just keep Rose for now, see what they have in Scola next season, and then if warranted move Rose. They'd probably be able to get more for Rose then too.
What remains on Rose's contract is only going to continue to get smaller while the market price for NBA reserve bigmen is going to continue to increase. Rose is 30 years old, not 35. Malik is basically making the NBA average salary and for his capability I'd say that's a very fair price for him.
Yeah its not like its gonna go from 7 to 9 to 11.
its actually gonna go DOWN!!
Scola is definately not a sure thing, and I would hold on to some insurance in case hes more Dino Radja than Toni Kukoc.
The salary isn't tha big, the Spurs are just cheap.
Agree 100%.The Spurs could just keep Rose for now, see what they have in Scola next season, and then if warranted move Rose
If Scola comes over and is as good as everyone is hyping him to be, THEN you move Rose, and get something better for him than Mary Jane Robinson.
It doesn't matter if you all think Malik is good. It's what Pop thinks that matters. He just doesn't not like or have faith in Malik anymore.
It's not about what they can do this summer, necessarily. That 7 Mil does NOT become caproom, since they are already over. It's about paying folks like Scola, Devin, Beno, Sanikidze, and Javtokas down the line, without paying the 2 for 1 luxtax. That becomes harder every year as Malik's contract will continue to escalate. If they can find a taker now, they don't have to pay him 10 or 11 mil in a few years, which his contract calls for. They'll be looking at hard choices in a few years: letting players walk, or paying $22M for Malik's services, $11M to Malik and $11M to the league in taxes.7 mill to play with in the offseason aint alot.
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