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Here's one, there was another thread about this during the Playoffs.
This one was last updated April 16th, I believe about a month before the WCF.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...ory?id=3349965
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Thanks. I never knew that's how they schedule playoff games.
hes too fundumental to have only one MVP season left in him.. i say he has at least 3.
The playoff games are scheduled around the TV schedules, which like to feature the best games. They do NOT schedule the exact sequence of the conference finals during the first round. Only as the second round moves forward do they start to schedule the conference finals.
They only schedule the Finals exactly in advance at the beginning of the playoffs, for TV.
Stern rigged the schedule. Go back and look how long they delayed game 7 of the Hornets series, and then rammed the Lakers series down our throats.
got any of his numbers against the Suns particularly those of the last 5 seasons? that should be fun.
interesting that you forgot to mention FG% in your stats..that's KIND OF important, isn't it?
obviously Tim is declining..the guy is in his 30's..there's no way we should all expect him to be the best player in the NBA like he was for so many years..it just doesn't happen like that, unless your name is Michael Jordan..
Hakeem hit his peak in his early 30's, Shaq in his late 20's/early 30's, Kareem was quite effective still in his 30's, Magic was still at his peak in his 30's. Point is, many NBA players hit, or stay, at their peak in their early 30's.interesting that you forgot to mention FG% in your stats..that's KIND OF important, isn't it?
obviously Tim is declining..the guy is in his 30's..there's no way we should all expect him to be the best player in the NBA like he was for so many years..it just doesn't happen like that, unless your name is Michael Jordan..
Duncan's stats dropped a bit the last few years because of lesser minutes and better teammates. His playoff numbers are still as high as ever.
I didn't say he wouldn't be able to play at a high level..he'll stop be a top 10 player, just like he was arguably even a top 3 player this year..but we've already seen his game slow down a bit, which is expected..
I don't think any of your examples apply here..Hakeem the only one being close..
Shaq at age 32 had an MVP caliber season(he probably should have won it), but he was clearly declining..Shaq of the 3-peat Lakers was arguably the most unstoppable player in NBA history..Shaq with the Heat toned down his game and had a more finesse style..still a top 5 player? yes, but obviously not as good as his peak..
Magic didn't play at that age, so it doesn't apply here..retired early for obvious reasons..
Kareem was obviously no longer as good as he was in his prime..
Hakeem is an interesting one..I don't think he hit his peak at that age..most successful? yes..but he definitely wasn't as good a defender and rebounder(naturally)..his scoring went up, but those years were also the highest usage %'s of his career..he was the best player in the NBA in those years, but I wouldn't necessarily say he was better than he was in his 20's..the numbers show that he certainly wasn't as good defensively and on the boards, despite still being near the top(or at the top in the case of defense) in those categories..
IIRC, Magic retired in '91 at 32, then came back for the '92 ASG, then played again in '96 for a little while. He was 37. (Maybe 36)
I don't remember how good or not good his game was that last stretch, but he was playing.
Duncan does not give a about MVP. he wants another ring
ya, Magic did return..but I didn't count that..basketball-reference lists Magic's last season at age 31, so I'm not sure..
duncan will be a beast.
Where do you see this? Look at the schedule, all the dates are pre-planned and as far as I know, they kept to this schedule.
What screwed the Spurs was that the Lakers finished off the Jazz in 6 games where the Spurs took 7 games.
If you look at the Celtics (the other part in the Stern Conspiracy), they also played a game 7 and were turned around in the same amount of time as the Spurs (only 2 days) to play the Conference Finals just like the Spurs.
That would mean that Stern was trying to screw both the Spurs and the Celtics and wanted a "Lakers vs Pistons" Final.
Last edited by Allanon; 09-18-2008 at 08:30 PM.
We just need to clone Tim and put four more of them out there with him. Tim always has said he thinks of himself as a point guard, only bigger. He already can shoot the 3, so what the , might as well let science be good for something.
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Magic wasn't that good after he returned. But at 32 when he retired, he was still at the top of his game, and if it wasn't for HIV, he would have easily have 3 or 4 more MVP type seasons left in him.
Hakeem was clearly at his best during his early 30's. Yes his rebounding and blocked shots numbers went down by quite a bit, but that was more a change in the Rocket's pace and defensive philosophies than him actually declining. He was as quick as ever, and he was healthy (mentally, physically and spiritually).
Shaq hit his peak at around 27. And he sustained that peak until about 30. However, he has a lot of mileage on his body due to coming out of college early. By then, he was an 8-year vet, and he has never taken care of his body.
Even Jordan was at his peak at 32, but he is an exception because he pretty much had a 12-year peak.
Point is, basketball players hit their peaks, and can sustain them for a longer time than other sports, such as tennis, because other than the physical aspect, there are other things such the knowledge of the game, controlling the pace, using your teammates to your advantage, etc…
I agree..again, I wasn't saying that Duncan won't still be a star player..my point is simply that he will continue to get worse, just like 99% of other star players have at age 32..it's just natural IMO..
Of course, that I agree.
I am just glad that my favourite team had a player like Tim Duncan on it. I enjoyed, and am still enjoying, the qualities he brought to the team on a daily basis. The day Duncan hangs up will be a dark day for the Spurs. I doubt the team will be as lucky as what happened a decade ago and landed a franchise player when Robinson started to see his decline.
Garnett got MVP votes last season if I recall correctly. Duncan's numbers were equal to his. He plays both sides of the ball on a high level and should be a top 5 candidate every year.
I think Tim is good for around 22 and 13 with Manu out of the line-up. Is that good enough to win MVP? I think it would depend on whether or not the Spurs have the best record, which I could easily see happening, despite all of the doubters. People quickly forget we were only a game or 2 out of 1st place in the West last season. This team is arguably better than last years. Addition by subtraction. Yes, losing Barry hurt. Getting rid of Horry, however, was the best thing that could have ever happened.
I hope Bonner gets a lot more playing time this season. I'm actually more excited to see if Bonner will get more run than Mahinmi. Sure, Mahinmi is that above-average athlete everyone wants to see. People quickly forget, Bonner filled in for Tim and scored what, about 30 with about 20 rebounds? That doesn't happen by luck. It happens by getting a chance. I see Bonner as a Beno type, one that Popovich doesn't give enough freedom to or know how to handle. He's never going to be a lockdown defender and he's never going to shoot 50% from the 3 point line, but he is the best catch and shoot 3 point shooter that's currently on the roster. He's like Radmanovic for the Lakers, except he isn't soft as a pillow. PJ knows how to handle a guy like that, Popovich doesn't.
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