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Don't forget height.
Taller individuals are more likely to be successful at the workplace.
No, we're just not ignorant enough to think that abandoning a broken system is the same thing as fixing the problems it caused. Bully for you that you think "race" is an ignorant concept and that the rules should be the same for everyone -- as a white male that opinion comes with fairly little to lose -- but it doesn't change the fact that the rules haven't been the same for everyone at any point in the history of this country.
Of course he was. Southern Blacks were largely Republican for generations out of loyalty to Abraham Lincoln.
Good for him. Exactly what does that have to do with either this discussion or the presidential election that inspired it?
Don't forget height.
Taller individuals are more likely to be successful at the workplace.
As a white male...go yourself. You are every bit as ignorant as any racist whoever lived...you're just on the opposite side of the coin. Pity really.
Only an idiot thinks preferntial treatment is a solution to discrimination...it's just an opposite form of discrimination...and it's going to wind up with the exact same result.
It's not a solution.
Well you know what? Replacing unfair laws with other unfair laws doesn't solve that problem.-- but it doesn't change the fact that the rules haven't been the same for everyone at any point in the history of this country.
When you draw racial lines, you create the racial construct, no matter your justification for doing it.
Of course he was. Southern Blacks were largely Republican for generations out of loyalty to Abraham Lincoln.
Ironically enough...I never saw Martin Luther King asking for preferntial treatment. That's why he was a Republican. Perhaps that's why he was listened to whereas his followers are considered racebaiting divisive idiots.
The Democrats were the ones that fought to keep them enslaved, and founded the KKK...and they reversed their earlier bigotry and went from discriminating against them, to discriminating in favor of them...an equally ignorant position.
An equally racist position.
That is still not the mindset of someone who understands equality...that is the mind set of someone who knows only how to discriminate, trying not to discriminate.
And that is what drove the racists over to the Republican party...equality was better than favoritism.
It's to point out the hypochristy of the Democrats and the way they attempt to compensate for years of discrimination by...years of discrimination.Good for him. Exactly what does that have to do with either this discussion or the presidential election that inspired it?
Don't even get me stared on the way the Democrats view African Americans and minorities and women as helpless idiots that can;t do anything for themselves dependent on government favoritism...
And don't say it's not true...
Every ing anti-war lib on this forum that I have argued with when pushed comes to shove has described mid-easterners, as savages, incapable of grasping the concept of Democracy...which I find plainly idiotic....since it's an extemely simple form of government at it's heart..and one that originated right there in Iraq, long before Greece or Rome.
Furthermore primitive peoples have virtually no concept of any sort of bias...bias ALL BIAS is a product of surplus...and sadly, very few people understand that.
We might as well just end this thread.....white people will never understand.....you can debate till you are blue in the face. White people have never suffered racism or oppression, so they just brush everything off as ignorant. That is why I stopped talking about this subject earlier. White people run pretty much everything in the US......why would they understand, or better yet, why would they need or want to???
Find the post where I argued for preferential treatment for anyone.
Agreed. That's why I think we should strive for replacing them with fair laws/programs/policies. Or, when possible, removing those unfair laws completely.
Again, find me the post in which I argued for favoritism.
I merely suggested that the oft quoted Bootstraps Theory is far too simplistic an approach to the idea of the privilege/oppression dynamic in this country. It suggests that laziness and the lack of motivation are the only things standing in the way of success, and for a huge part of this country (based more on a class barrier than on race) that simply isn't the case. There are numerous roadblocks that will keep many people from every reaching that success, regardless how much work they may be willing to put in.
Should race be an issue in this country? No. Is it? Yep. It's incredibly convenient for those of us in power (and, yes, as a young, able bodied, Caucasian female with an education and enough money to support myself, I recognize my own areas of privilege) to say "Hey, guess what, racism is, like, really bad, and we should just be colorblind and start everyone off with a clean slate from now on" because there are no real consequences to you or I if that's what were to happen, but it just doesn't work that way. I don't advocate preferential treatment, I don't advocate favoritism, and I absolutely believe that a clean slate is what we should strive for, but I'm not ignorant enough to think it's going to magically happen because we will it so.
It's not universally true.
I don't know any anti-war libs who share that belief. I know I certainly don't. I think that the Iraqi people are perfectly capable of understanding the concept of Democracy, but I also think that they're en led to decide for themselves whether or not that's how they want to be governed.
You're insane if you think racism, or any other systems of power/privilige/oppression, have anything to do with bias. It's about power and control, at its very core, both of which are extremely primitive motivations. If I want control, I need followers. And if I need followers, the best way to get them is to invent a common enemy.
Sorry, but I disagree with this just as fervently as I do with whottt's assertions. The systems of ins utionalized discrimination in this country are based on far more than just race, and there are plenty of White folks out there who know what it feels like to be oppressed in ways that perhaps you don't understand (on the base of gender, sexuality, etc.). Nothing will ever be changed/accomplished if we refuse to accept that people with a different perspective may have something valuable to bring to the table.We might as well just end this thread.....white people will never understand.....you can debate till you are blue in the face. White people have never suffered racism or oppression, so they just brush everything off as ignorant. That is why I stopped talking about this subject earlier. White people run pretty much everything in the US......why would they understand, or better yet, why would they need or want to???
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Last edited by lebomb; 09-16-2008 at 08:50 PM.
We might as well just end this thread.....white people will never understand.....you can debate till you are blue in the face. White people have never suffered racism or oppression, so they just brush everything off as ignorant. That is why I stopped talking about this subject earlier. White people run pretty much everything in the US......why would they understand, or better yet, why would they need or want to???
You remind me of Mugabe who parrotted the Oppression card to seize white farms in Zimbabwe through his "war veterans." Where has that left that nation, a broken nation that is bankrupt. Christians have suffered oppresion in India, the former Soviet Union, China, Indonesia and a host of other countries and yet many of them forgave their oppressors. Your are a very bitter man and has enjoyed the riches that this nation has to offer.
I take it all back..........may the best candidates win.
Have a great evening.
Funt I'll respond in a bit...but since I was always talking about what I see as the Democratic Party's idea of equality, and you took issue with my statements...I simply felt you agreed with it.
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