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Quite possibly over-valuing Bynum because I am basing it on his 1/3 season of work. But if Bynum does this year what he did for that 1/3 season, then I would be under-valuing him in a trade for Tony Parker straight up.
I've never seen the 2 surgery deal, I've heard he had knee problems as a kid. As far as I know, it's 1 surgery and much more minor than the microfracture surgery that Amare had.
CP3, DWill are franchise players so they can't be traded. But Tony Parker is not a franchise player so he could be traded.
No, pre-season, Bynum is < than Jefferson but that's not a fair comparison. Better would be at the end of this season, will Bynum be better than Jefferson and I say yes.
Quite possibly over-valuing Bynum because I am basing it on his 1/3 season of work. But if Bynum does this year what he did for that 1/3 season, then I would be under-valuing him in a trade for Tony Parker straight up.
How can TP, who is only 26, has 3 rings, an all-star appearance, a finals MVP, who has beaten both D-Will and CP3 in the playoffs not be a franchise player, but those other players are? Just because Tony has Duncan on his team and therefore is not the best player on his team does not make him a non franchise player. When Duncan is done, TP is the franchise.
Tony Parker, NBA Finals MVP, 3 rings won=#25
Andrew Bynum, NBA Finals spectator, almost 3 seasons played=#24
You keep speculating and conveniently dismissing the things that disprove Bynum's worth and abilities. It is always "T-Mac is injured that's why he can not be in the top 20". But when someone brings up Bynum's multiple injuries its that he is not injury prone although he is only 20 and has not had the time to get injured (although he already has been at least once that we know of) so he gets a pass.
Then you say it is not fair that Bynum be compared to Jefferson or others now (although we live in the now) and that he can only be compared in the future where you think he will be better than David Robinson.
TP is 26 WTF?!?!?!? Could someone please tell me how old he was when he got drafted?
He has always been one of my fav players but i have to say TP should be in the top 15 especially for being finals MVP, the highest honor one could achieve.
He got drafted in 2001 when he was 19
Multiple injuries in his life but in his NBA days, 1 injury in 3 years is pretty good actually. I'm sure plenty of NBA players got injured when they were 13 years old, I don't think those injuries count.
T-Mac injuries are just counting his injuries in the 9 years in the NBA so he's already been labeled.
As for comparing now and in the future, Al Jefferson had a full breakout season, while Bynum only had 1/3 of a season so it's not a fair comparison.
But given a full season, yes, I think he'll be better than Al Jefferson.
Tony Parker isn't a franchise player because Duncan is. Tony's stats just aren't good enough to be a franchise player. And you can't have two franchise players on the same team so that makes Tony expendable. Is Tony Parker being groomed to be the franchise player for the Spurs? If yes, I think that is a mistake.
Injuries dont count when you're a kid? So when you enter the NBA, all of a sudden your body becomes new and fresh?
I can't believe you're actually defending Bynum's 24th spot on the NBA's Best Players list...
And 1 injury every 3 years is good? So if Bynum is out every 3rd season for 2/3 of the season plus the playoffs that's good? LOL
It doesn't count when you're a kid because everybody gets injured when they were a kid...I mean he was 13 years old. So if a player gets injured when he was 13 years old and then injured again 7 years later in the Pros that is relevant?
He's the 3rd best Center in the NBA, why wouldn't he be in the 24th spot?I can't believe you're actually defending Bynum's 24th spot on the NBA's Best Players list...
I think you don't know how to read . I said "1 injury out of 3 years is good", you made up the 2/3 of the season in your head. When was the last time Duncan or Tony Parker or Manu injury free for 3 years in a row?And 1 injury every 3 years is good? So if Bynum is out every 3rd season for 2/3 of the season plus the playoffs that's good? LOL
Last edited by Allanon; 09-16-2008 at 10:55 PM.
Bynum ahead of Tony Parker? WTF...Bynum has played at a good, but not a great level for 1/3 of a season. Tony Parker has got 3 rings, 1 Finals MVP, 2 All-star appearences. Bynum has um...nothing. Nothing but this so-called potential.
Well Bynum's injury took him out for 2/3 of the season. I didn't make that up in my head. Well until last year, Duncan, Parker, and Manu were all relatively injury-free.
Bynum's 1/3 of the season was great, not just good. He dominated several games after he got the starting job. Kobe was the one that said the Lakers were Championship material because of Bynum.
Tony Parker's last ring was 2 years ago. Al Jefferson sucked 2 years ago, Lakers were a 1st round team, KG was in Minnesota...etc.
There's no knock on Tony, he's playing a much more compe ive position. Look around the NBA, there aren't any Centers who can stop Bynum outside of Yao and DHo. Bynum already thrashed guys like Kaman, Ratliff, Bogut, Amare (as a Center) etc. This is why good Centers are so valuable....there aren't any around.
He has only been good for like 30 games! stop blowing you wad! Jerome ing James had a fantastic 20 games for the Sonics 4 years ago. Look how good he turned out
Amaré is still wiping off Bynum's spew from the Christmas day game, I can see your anger.
Kobe's last ring was with Shaq 6 years ago. What's your point?
Of course there's no knock on Tony. There's just some -loving Laker fans who think Bynum is going to be better than David Robinson when the guy hasn't even played a full season yet.
And the point about you can't have two franchise players on the same team? Kobe and Shaq, I'm pretty sure were two franchise players.
You can deny and live in your own little world all you want, most of the real world already knows about Bynum. Feel free to come along later and rub Bynum's nob....just more "I told you so" for me.
And we all see how that turned out. Spur fans are always quick pointing out that Kobe was Shaq's sidekick (just like you pointed out just now), that is not the franchise...he was supposedly Robin to Batman.And the point about you can't have two franchise players on the same team? Kobe and Shaq, I'm pretty sure were two franchise players.
Ya, a 3 peat happened.
The real world knows who Bynum is, they do not know what he can do. But evidently you think:
a) The Lakers will win 70 games or possibly more and surpass the greatest single season record of all time by the Bulls.
b) That Bynum will be better than a NBA's 50 greatest player, league MVP, arguably a top 5 center of all time and 2 time NBA champion David Robinson.
c) That his injury(s) do not count, but other players injuries do.
It is pretty clear that although Kobe is a franchise player, that Shaq was more dominant. There are plenty of franchise players that do not win les, that does not mean they are not great or franchise players: Barkley, Malone....
Yes
Possibly, Bynum still has 15 more years to go in the NBA, who's to say no?b) That Bynum will be better than a NBA's 50 greatest player, league MVP, arguably a top 5 center of all time and 2 time NBA champion David Robinson.
His injury at 13 years old doesn't count and it doesn't count for any other player either. You count Bynum's injury at 13 years old when you say "Bynum has had multiple injuries"?c) That his injury(s) do not count, but other players injuries do.
Kobe would never have been the franchise player as long as Shaq was around. And franchise point guards don't do 18 points and 5 assists like Tony Parker does...it's just not enough to build a franchise around.It is pretty clear that although Kobe is a franchise player, that Shaq was more dominant. There are plenty of franchise players that do not win les, that does not mean they are not great or franchise players: Barkley, Malone....
Wow, Bynum at 24 is a travesty.
Almost as bad as that max contract.
So if a kid tears his acl or something or has a serious bone break, that does not come into play later on in life? We all know kids get injured (scratches, s ches, and maybe sprains or breaks) but some injuries are serious.
Who cares if Tony puts up 18 and 5. The Spurs play at an extremely slow pace and share the ball, they have 3 guys that average around 20 points per game. Tony would have a lot more assists if the Spurs did not move the ball so well. Often Tony gives the ball inside to Tim, then Tim takes his time, dribble, dribble then shoot and no assist for Tony. If Tony was about stats he could easily average 25 and 8
No it does not for NBA players. If it was that serious as a 13 year old kid, he wouldn't have made it to the NBA to begin with.
If you're all for Tony Parker as the Franchise after Duncan leaves, more power to you. I just don't think the Spurs will be champions during that era.Who cares if Tony puts up 18 and 5. The Spurs play at an extremely slow pace and share the ball, they have 3 guys that average around 20 points per game. Tony would have a lot more assists if the Spurs did not move the ball so well. Often Tony gives the ball inside to Tim, then Tim takes his time, dribble, dribble then shoot and no assist for Tony. If Tony was about stats he could easily average 25 and 8
If you are a great athlete, you can overcome injuries and compete at a high level. It just puts you at risk for other injuries. The fact that Bynum was thought to be out 8 weeks and then never returned is not a great sign. Given, they got Pau and they could afford to rest him, why did it take so much longer to get him back?
But when Kobe is done you think Bynum can carry a team to a le? So Parker no, but Bynum yes? It would all depend on who you put around him.
You do realize that with all that you are implying about next years Lakers, that you are essentially putting them in the conversation of "greatest team" ever. Is that what you are saying?
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