Negative Payback, Obama to use Keating Five Scandal on McCain

[RandomGuy]

Originally Posted by timvp

Link to a repub in this thread whining about attack ads? Link to a thread of a dem not whining about attack ads?

Originally Posted by Buddy Holly

Off the top of my head:

O'Reilly berating Jamie Lynn Spears and her parents BUT then getting offended and uptight when people berating Palin and her girl.

Morris being sexist to Hillary Clinton BUT then crying sexism when Palin was treated unfairly in his eyes.

FOX News trying to assert that a fist bump is a terrorist fist jab BUT getting pissy when some group releases an ad asserting McCain is in bad health.

What question did that answer? Read what you quoted again.

He did indeed not answer your question.

BUT

We all know that somewhere, somehow, someone on this board has probably made similar complaints.

Both sides about them, then go right out and do it.

As I said in the other thread, Democrats are pissed.

You rightly noted that that will serve to rile up the Republicans down the road, and they are more experienced at the slime, but I would hazard a guess that the Dems are waaay more organized than you might think they are.

[boutons_]

McCarelessKlutz as The Navy Pilot Who Couldn't Fly Straight

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McCain prone to mishaps as Navy pilot: report
Published: Monday October 6, 2008

US presidential hopeful John McCain was prone to mistakes during his time as a Navy pilot, and if today's standards were applied, his career may have ended in a hard landing, according to a report Monday by The Los Angeles Times.

The newspaper said that when McCain was training in his AD-6 Skyraider in Texas in 1960, he slammed into Corpus Christi Bay and sheared the skin off his plane's wings.

In his autobiography, McCain said the crash had occurred because "the engine quit," but an investigation board at the Naval Aviation Safety Center found no evidence of engine failure, the report said.

( McLiar's been lying his entire life.)

Instead investigators concluded that the 23-year-old junior lieutenant was not paying attention and erred in using "a power setting too low to maintain level flight in a turn."

The crash was one of three early in McCain's aviation career in which his flying skills and judgment were faulted or questioned by Navy officials, The Times said.

In another incident, McCain was "clowning" around in a Skyraider over southern Spain about December 1961 and flew into electrical wires, causing a blackout in the area, the paper noted.

In 1965, McCain crashed a T-2 trainer jet in Virginia, and after he was sent to Vietnam, his plane was destroyed in an explosion on the deck of an aircraft carrier in 1967, the report said.

Three months later, he was shot down during a bombing mission over Hanoi and taken prisoner.

( I read that McBottomGun admitted he should have taken SAM-evasive action rather than continuing his bombing run. So, he, by his own BAD DECISIONS, became a POW )

The Times said it had interviewed men who served with McCain and located the 1960s-era accident reports and professional evaluations.
"This examination of his record revealed a pilot who early in his career was y, occasionally cavalier and prone to testing limits," the paper concluded.

It reminded that in today's military, a lapse in judgment that causes a crash can end a pilot's career.

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McSame is fatally dangerous, US-taxpayer-wasteful as The Decider. And he can decide 24-hours/day, not only at oh-three-hundred-hours!

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Somehow or someway this will all benefit Palin's popularity.

[timvp]

But, for the record, if it came to it, yes I would want Obama to get dirty if that's what it takes

Good deal. Then I better not see you complain if McCain goes down the same road you'd approve for Obama.

And where is boutons_ answer . . .

Yeah, it would be a great strategy to allow himself to get Swiftboated on the Ayers stuff. It worked out so well for Kerry, didn't it?

There's a chance this stuff could work, that's why they have to aggressively rebut it.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

[Findog]

Good deal. Then I better not see you complain if McCain goes down the same road you'd approve for Obama.

I don't like it, but I'm glad it hasn't come to that for Obama. If we were living in an age of peace and prosperity, I would be less tolerant of either side going into the gutter. Times are desperate, I think Obama is the lesser of two evils, and too much is at stake for McCain to win.

[Findog]

There's a corollary here as well: Democrats just don't pull off gutter politics as well as the GOP does. For some reason when the Dems go this route, it just blows up in their faces and backfires. It wouldn't be smart politics for Obama to get dirty.

I'm just saying, in timvp's hypothetical, if that was the ONLY way Obama could win, and it WOULD work, yes I would support gutter politics. I just don't think timvp's hypothetical bears any resemblance to reality, if the Democrats went after McCain's war record using 527s, they'd be roasted over the coals.

What McCain is doing is akin to an onsides kick in football - it's the correct strategy at this point, but it's his only play left.

[timvp]

He did indeed not answer your question.

BUT

We all know that somewhere, somehow, someone on this board has probably made similar complaints.

Both sides about them, then go right out and do it.

Of course. That's the nature of politics. Republicans do more than their fair share of whining and double talk.

As I said in the other thread, Democrats are pissed.

You rightly noted that that will serve to rile up the Republicans down the road, and they are more experienced at the slime, but I would hazard a guess that the Dems are waaay more organized than you might think they are.

What have I said to lead you to believe I think Democracts are disorganized? I believe they are highly organized at this point. But that doesn't make the Republicans any less experienced at playing dirty.

[Findog]

In my breakroom at work I constantly have to hear:


1. Obama is a muslim
2. Obama scares me
3. If he's on tv, the next comment is generally look at him you can tell he's lying
4. He hates America
5. He is a terrorist
6. His wife is a militant
7. His best friend is a terrorist

And it's from a handful of people. Granted I do live in Nebraska and work in South Dakota which are traditionally red states.



So yes the ads serve to feed the beast and as hoped by the party launching them to sway the guys who haven't picked a side.

Back in the spring I went out with this girl on a date. We ended up back at her place and were fooling around. At some point during the pillow talk, I don't know how the conversation turned to politics, but she went there, and of course it was all about how Obama is a secret muslim sleeper agent conspiring with our enemies. So, yeah, I got a bj out of the deal, but I never called her again after that.

[boutons_]

I'd love USA to flatter itself by electing a non-attacking HUSSEIN over ineffective, scorched-earth attacking McBottomGun.

But USA isn't at that high level, but rather sucks up slime, swiftboating, lying as The Truth.

So, USA being what is, HUSSEIN must counter-attack (which is different from attacking, in the same way actively initiating an Iraq invasion or $700B bail out is different from just voting for it )

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[Crookshanks]

McCain-Palin spokesman Brian Rogers said: "The difference here is clear. John McCain has been open and honest about the Keating matter, and even the Democratic special counsel in charge recommended that Senator McCain be completely exonerated. By contrast, Barack Obama has been fundamentally dishonest about his friendship and work with the unrepentant terrorist William Ayers, whose radical group bombed the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol. Nor has Barack Obama come clean on his close friendship with Tony Rezko, a felon convicted on bribery charges who subsidized the purchase of Barack Obama’s home. It's obvious that Barack Obama is frantically attacking because he knows that most voters find these kinds of friendships, and the failed judgment they expose, to be unacceptable for our next president."http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/14302

I just heard some information on this that I find quite interesting.

The lawyer who investigated the Keating Five said that he found John McCain and John Glenn innocent of any wrongdoing and said they shouldn't be included in the hearings. However, his findings were ignored because they didn't want the hearings to be just about democrats.

Now - for those of you who might question this lawyer's loyalties
1. He's a lifelong democrat
2. He's represented Bill Clinton

So this Keating Five crap is just a weak attempt at a diversion by the Obama camp!

[ChumpDumper]

Diversion from what?

Being ahead in the polls?

I agree there is as little to the Keating business as there is to the Ayers business, but that won't stop either campaign from trying.

[ducks]

intersting
hope Obama brings it up in the debate and john slaps him

[Shastafarian]

Diversion from what?

Being ahead in the polls?

He wants to divert attention away from him winning better or something like that.

[boutons_]

"just a weak attempt at a diversion by the Obama camp"

not weak at all.

McBottomGun himself said he screwed up badly in the Keating affair, and it made him "born again" to be completely be honest and ethical in politics after Keating.

And we can see in the current campaign how honest and ethical McBottomGun is now.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I'm gonna have to agree with giant boy detective on this one.

[Yonivore]

McCain And Keating…An Old Pile Of Not Much

For those who don’t remember this very old scandal (it dates back to 1987) Charles Keating ran a savings and loan that eventually collapsed, along with many others. Keating was politically connected (though that didn't save him from going to jail) and five Senators were brought up on ethics charges for improperly pressuring regulators on his behalf.

One of them was John McCain. The other four were…Democrats.

McCain was pretty much exonerated, with the committee saying only that he exercised ‘poor judgment’ by attending a meeting with regulators. McCain was never found to have exerted any influence on behalf of Keating.

In fact, it’s likely that McCain was only kept in the case because to have removed him from it would have meant only Democrats would have been involved. That's not McCain spin, that's from Bob Bennett, the Senate’s own investigator and noted Democrat.

"It was clear that McCain should not have been at the table nor should Glenn," Bennett said. "I felt it was unfair for McCain to be included as part of the Keating Five." Bennett stressed that he was not speaking as part of the campaign, though he noted he also represented McCain in his recent battles with the New York Times.

No less an authority than the NY Times agreed. Of course, that was back in 1995 when McCain was still their favorite Republican.

I'm not saying that Keating was a good guy or that the collapse of his S&L didn't cost a lot of money, I'm just saying he and McCain don't equal Obama and the terrorist Bill "We Didn't Bomb Enough" Ayers.

Strangely, if Obama weren't such a leftist tool I’d enjoy seeing McCain getting slammed for this. After all, it was his involvement in the Keating Five that gave him such an interest in reworking the First Amendment campaign finance reform. So even though we are all paying for his ‘sins’, there are bigger fish to fry at the moment.

Oh and for the Obamabots who say, "Ayers is a big pile of not much and Obama was only 8"...Shut up. The Weather Underground (Weathermen) committed their last crimes when Obama was in his 20's and earning his stripes in the kind of activist environment that worshipped at the feet of the Ayers, Dorhns, and Alinksys of the world.

Obama knew who Ayers was, what he had done and what he believed and still believes in and yet as an adult decided he was the kind of man he wanted to do business with.

Even if you accept the worst interpretation of Keating, unlike Ayers he never tried to kill people...or lamented his failure to do so. I hope like the next debate is about Keating/Ayers-Dorhn.

[ChumpDumper]

So how many bombs has Obama made?

[boutons_]

McBottomGun as palling around with Keating at the same time Keating was committing his felony and corrupting Senator McBottomGun.

HUSSEIN didn't encounter Ayers until a couple decades AFTER Ayers was a Weatherman, at which point Ayers had been living an lawful, productive life.

There's really no comparison.

[baseline bum]

OJ was found completely innocent too, Yoni.

[Buddy Holly]

McBottomGun as palling around with Keating at the same time Keating was committing his felony and corrupting Senator McBottomGun.

Not to mention his "palling around" with Anne Hathaway's ex-bf while said ex-bf was committing fraud.

I guess John McShame likes to hang around with people who eventually end up in prison.

If McShame wants to have people question Obama's "judgment" with those ads, Obama needs to counter with those examples of his "palling around" because now more than ever, the financial well being of the US is on every Americans mind.

[TomBrady]

McCain has literally destroyed his reputation in this campaign. I've never seen a POW war hero fall so far so fast.

[Yonivore]

McCain has literally destroyed his reputation in this campaign. I've never seen a POW war hero fall so far so fast.

Perhaps he's trying to get down to Obama's level so they can communicate. But, I'm not sure McCain can bring himself to cavort with terrorists and solicit fake contributions over the internet.

[boutons_]

Yoni's is getting weaker as McBottomGun and his flash-in-the-pan pitbull stagnate and drop in the polls.

[Wild Cobra]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/14302

Finally. Some payback for the smears and lies that killed our parties chances since 2000, Palin wants to link Obama to terrorists? Well here is some karma for that claim.

Perfect time to reveal this to the public, especially during the financial crisis.

My God. Don't you liberals keep up with the news?

McCain was 100% cleared of any wrongdoing when this was investigated way back.

[Shastafarian]

My God. Don't you liberals keep up with the news?

McCain was 100% cleared of any wrongdoing when this was investigated way back.

My God Man!!!!