You shouldn't feel bad about picking any candidate. You see, if there's something we agree on in here is that they both suck. What we end up arguing about is who sucks more or less. Or whose guy's party sucks more or less. So, at the end of the day, actually picking one candidate should not be a concern. If you're going to have a concern, is how the did we get to this point with these two dudes in the ballot.
On the lighter side, I'm glad you will be exercising your right to vote. No matter who you end up picking.
And not to mention - although this is a generalization - those very same people ranting about abortion are also the ones banging the drums of war and not realizing just how many people have died in Iraq because the only figure reported is the number of Americans killed.
Don't these people value all life the same? I'm so sick of the abortion issue being brandished by both sides at this point especially when the principles applied to it are used inconsistently as .
Agreed.
When you let religion decide, you end up with:
Obama =
It's probably some kind of 'god given' fifth sense.
At least angel_luv is consistent. She doesn't need a reason to believe in God, and she just probably doesn't need a reason to 'sense' Obama is dangerous.
If it wouldn't be so sad, it would actually be hilarious.
If the issue if brought to the Supreme Court and there are more Judges who want it overturned than who don't, then it's a legitimate concern. In that case it's up to them to do what they think is within their power.
/rant
angel luv is the poster child for the effectiveness of the fear campaign working.
I don't personally understand people that don't bother to inform themselves about the candidates and simply choose on gut feeling...
Saying you wouldn't vote for Obama because you think he is dangerous without even an explanation as to what it is exactly that you fear about the guy...
No offense to Angel, her vote is her own, but if you don't know exactly what it is you fear about Obama, how can you justify writing him off based on it? I suggest that if your vote is important to you that you get to the root of that mistrust and find out whether its legitimate or not before you make your decission.
...otherwise, just admit you are swayed primarily by the pro-life issue (which is IMO a very valid and important concern) and vote accordingly.
The abortion issue is not, and likely won't ever be, THE deciding factor for me in an election. It's still important, however. As a woman, I don't know that I would be able to enthusiastically support a candidate who saw that issue differently than I did.
Also, though the arguments often get bogged down in overly simplistic pro-life vs. pro-choice rhetoric, the issue of reproductive rights goes much deeper than Roe v. Wade.
I'm also sick of gay marriage as an issue.
I'm sick of incredibly complex policies and issues being so overly simplified as to be "the _________ issue."
I am sick of moral issues,period. That they are the centerpieces in politics, when in reality, they have nothing to do with taxes, war, general welfare (not the program), education or any other really important policy that actually betters our quality of life in the present and future.
Moral issues = Wedge issues. Its a political tool used to divide Americans on their inner-most convictions that have no bearing on our country or the world or its policies. The only impact moral issues have is on our souls, which cannot and will not ever be proven to exist. If they do, great. If not, oh well. Either way, it didnt lower my taxes, end a war or guarantee every American a college education.
This includes:
Gay Marriage / Civil Unions
Abortion
Stem Cell Research
Pornography
Animal Testing
Pledge of Allegiance
Prayer in School
Creationism / Intelligent Design in Schools
Drugs
etc, etc with more and more unimportant bull (politically speaking).
Its my opinion all moral issues should be reserved for your family's personal judgement. Your opinion on the matter should have no bearing on me, whatsoever, and vice versa.
hmmm yeah I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you on this one.
I think he means Stem Cell Research as a moral issue, not as a technological issue.
Yeah but how do you separate it when you vote?
The only 'side' discussed politically is the moral one. I don't think anybody argues that the technological side wouldn't be beneficial. So you just don't bring the issue up.
That's fine in theory I guess but when there's an issue such as stem cell research you need to bring it up. I understand he's sick of the moral argument behind it but it needs to be countered in order for stem cell research to be accepted. I'm just saying I think it's an important enough issue to discuss, no matter how stupid some people may sound/be.
You see, this is what I don't get about folks like you.
Yea, he says he's pro life and what not, but he's also pro prolonging war in the Middle East . . . you know, where we go and KILL people.
That's an oxymoron, don't you think?
Bingo. Neither side of the issue say there isnt some chance of a medical breakthru.
Anything is a moral issue if you apply this simple test, no matter the outlying factors.
The question isnt "Can we do it?"
Its actually "Should we do it?"
Hence, a moral issue.
As long as moral issues have real impact of policy issues, as is the case with all of your examples, they will have a certain amount of importance in the political arena.
That's one of the reasons I am so bothered by the current trend toward oversimplified rhetoric. Pro-choice vs. pro-life is a moral issue, but reproductive justice isn't. "Gay marriage" is a polarizing term based on morals and beliefs, but equality in partnership/marriage benefits is an issue of policy. Pornography is subject to moral outrage, but censorship and free speech issues have bearing on everything we do. And so on.
Well, I think stem cell research will be developed on other countries where this whole moral veil doesn't exist. Honestly, the US is known internationally for that kind of stupidity when it comes to politics.
Yeah I agree. And CuckingFunt said it better than I could have.
Yesterday, I took a double shot of Mylanta and then still had to hold my nose while I voted for McCain, because his package of free stuff fits me slighty better than Obama's package of free stuff
Even my usual fall back of voting for the Libertarians wasn't an option because I never have been able to stand Bob Barr
I voted. For the first time.
Hmmm, good damn point(s).
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