Jones Jr. VS. Calzaghe

[2centsworth]

Erik Morales, is going down with a better legend, oh man, my sides hurt from that , how about Winky Wright while your at it.. Jermaine Taylor, yeah he is better than Roy, not too mention, Zab Judah and Tarver, they all are ahead of Roy right, Mr -bag, uh i mean Hostorian, LOL what a joke... You truly have been watching boxing for 5 min if you think Erik Morales is on anyones top list of fighters pd for pd ahead of Roy, i mean on a stick that is funny... You realize everyone on that list Roy either beat or would be dessimated in a fight with Roy and none of them fought and beat better fighters. Oscar lost every Superfight he ever had practically.. you are badly underrating everything about Roy..

being a legend of boxing doesn't necessarily mean you were the best pd for pd. Oscar will be a legend in boxing and will be held in much higher esteem than Roy. An argument can be made for Eric Morales from the latino perspective, which is a huge market for boxing, because Eric produced more memorable moments. Arturo Gatti is another who will be hard to forget.

Roy's career has been forgettable for the most part. All the talent in the world, but never made the mega fight.

[dbreiden83080]

An argument can be made for Eric Morales from the latino perspective.

Is that the same as saying the re ed perspective??? Because i don't give a damn, if you are black, White or ing purple, to even suggest that Morales is in the same ballpark as Roy all time is a mother- ing joke.. And anyone who agrees with that is in need of either footage on Roy in his prime or a ing cat-scan....

I don't get why everyone is crapping all over Roy here, Pd for Pd he was regarded as one of the best ever for years. He also was in a spot of not having many guys that would fight him or where from a weight point of view it wasn't reasonable for him to fight them.. Some of the bigger fights for Roy he would have had to move way down in weight to get them and that would have put him at a disadvantage. He was too small to have an extended run at Heavyweight but he still dominated Ruiz in that le fight.. Oscar moved up too much in weight and got it handed to him by Hopkins.. And lets not act like nobody ever ducked Roy, he made everyone he fought look like in his prime.. And memorable moments are just that moments, scrub fighters can do that, someone like Gatti is remembered mainly because he wasn't good enough to dominate anyone so he got in a lot of wars....

[dbreiden83080]

Oscar will be a legend in boxing and will be held in much higher esteem than Roy.

BTW Oscar's record in Superfights with Trinidad, Mosley, Hopkins and Mayweather is a combined 0-5..

His best win is probably Pernell Whitaker and that was a close fight..

[2centsworth]

BTW Oscar's record in Superfights with Trinidad, Mosley, Hopkins and Mayweather is a combined 0-5..

His best win is probably Pernell Whitaker and that was a close fight..

Again, if you're going off of pure record guys like Ricardo Lopez should be at the top of the list. One of the best pound for pound fighters I ever saw was Jemal Hinton back in the 80s. He retired undefeated too, but most people have never heard of the guy. Boxers are remembered for the entertainment value they brought to the sport. Hence, guys like Morales, Barrera, Gatti, and Oscar will be held in higher regard than will Roy. I'm sure boxing historians who try to gauge who were the best pound for pound fighters will mention Roy before the fighters I just mentioned, but the fans won't.

[SAtoDallas]

I liked Roy early on in his career, then he started hand picking opponents and that is why he will be forgotten. Like Mayweather Jr they had so much natural talent but were afraid to risk losing. I believe that is why Jones has recently taken risky fights late in his career Tarver/Glen Johnson he realizes his legacy is in danger. Anyways props to Calzaghe.

Oh and if I remember correctly didn't JoeCal try to get Jones to fight him in England about 7 years ago, but that's when Roy had that HBO contract and didn't want to fight outside the US?

[mexicanjunior]

BTW Oscar's record in Superfights with Trinidad, Mosley, Hopkins and Mayweather is a combined 0-5..

His best win is probably Pernell Whitaker and that was a close fight..

He also had solid wins against JC Chavez (twice), Vargas, Gatti and Ike Quartey (in his prime). He was jobbed in the Trinidad (although he brought it on himself) and 2nd Mosley fight.

As for RJJ and Calzaghe, I was glad to see Joe beat him so convincingly and showboat his way thru it. I saw RJJ do that to countless opponents, it was nice to see him get a taste of his own medicine. That said, Calzaghe is lucky that he hasn't fought anyone that stays busy enough to make him defend. RJJ has a good punch but he didn't throw enough of them to make Calzaghe worry about covering up (outside of round 1). If Calzaghe were to fight Dawson, I think his "hands down, chin sticking out" antics would bite him in the ass. That is especially true now that I think his chin has come under su ion (2 early knockdowns in last 2 fights)...

[dbreiden83080]

He also had solid wins against JC Chavez (twice), Vargas, Gatti and Ike Quartey (in his prime). He was jobbed in the Trinidad (although he brought it on himself) and 2nd Mosley fight.

Lets be fair though, Chavez was basically done at that point, his best years were behind him. I think Oscar beats him nomatter what, i'm just saying. His win against Quartey was also razor close and some thought he lost that fight.. Vargas was a great fight, he was a beast for a few years there, Gatti is not a big win for Oscar, someone like Oscar is supposed to walk through someone like Gatti.. He was jobbed in the 2nd Mosley fight, that was a bad decision..

[mexicanjunior]

Lets be fair though, Chavez was basically done at that point, his best years were behind him. I think Oscar beats him nomatter what, i'm just saying...

I would say Chavez was about done in the 2nd fight but, in the first, Chavez was only 33 and still in good shape. That fight was stopped due to cuts, so we will never know if Delahoya could have beaten him without the stoppage but he looked poised to do it up until that point. Keep in mind also, alot of fights Delahoya had were megafights at the time but, since the other fighter didn't stay on top, are kind of forgotten. Examples of this were his fights against Rafael Rueles, Miguel Angel Gonzales, John John Molina and the local boy (Jesse James Leija)...