Blazer demanding a trade

[Allanon]

I have to respond to this....at least this trade wasn't coming from a Spoiled Spurs fan.

First of all, Allanon....there is no way that the Spurs are trading Tim, Tony, or Manu!! This is the core of the championship caliber ball-club. Remember 3 of the last 6 les have come from South Texas!! Spurs have built their team around this core and they going to ride out for at least 2-3 years!!

It's a long-shot and you're right, they Spurs probably won't trade them off. I'm just looking at the possibilities if they were willing.

Also, last year ( I will give the Lakers credit they did win the series) but with a healthy Manu...the WCF would have been different. There was only one blowout game-Game 2 and everything else was really close.

I thought this too; however, I didn't expect Bowen & Finley to play as badly as they have.

So to write that the Spurs can't win another championship this year with the true Big 3..is a little premature.
Also, it is only 4 games and yes the defense has struggled but it is a 82 game season and their defense will improved before the season.

We are so ready to make quick judgements on teams but after 4 games!!! Yikes!!

It is premature, but I just get that feeling. I mean like tonight, I wouldn't take a bet to say the Spurs would beat Miami. Even with Manu back, that won't fix the defensive issues.

I know fans like to propose crazy trades (for Superstar players) to create a buzz...however there has to be some realism in what you are proposing.

Wow!!!

It's a crazy trade idea but what else is there to talk about?

[Allanon]

Shoot, I'd trade Pau to the Blazers for Aldridge straight up, if I could.

[MarHill]

It's all good, it's crazy, yes.

But sometimes it takes crazy measures to get you back on top.

Lakers were going nowhere so they took a gamble and sent Divacs (one of the top Centers at the time) for an un-proven high-schooler, Kobe.

The problem with Superstars is that you'll never get equal value in return. However, you can trade potential for a superstar.

For the Spurs, it will be difficult for them to win a championship with the current core and it's only going to get worse as the years go on.

Why not retool right now while you have 3 very attractive trade pieces?

LMA, Oden, Roy, Rudy I think wouldn't be untouchable if Duncan or Parker were involved.

Allanon,

How can you write it will be difficult for the Spurs to win a championship...when they were in WCF last year?

I would give more credence to your arguement....if the Spurs were a 7 or 8 seed last year or didn't make the playoffs.

But they have averaged at least 55 wins since 2003 and made it to at least the second round of the playoffs since that time. Oh by the way...three championships in that period.

But you want to the Spurs to trade one or two or all of the real big three...that's absurd!! Sorry!!

If the Spurs were really declining as far as wins and not making the playoffs or a border playoff team...then I could see moving a big piece.

But...you don't trade a sure fire hall-of-famer who is still playing well and the cornerstone for your franchise for someone who has potential. Sorry!!

By the way, one of the biggest mistakes that the Chicago Bulls made in the late 90's was breaking up that team to early. Even Jerry Krause....realizes that!!

So while you are at the top of mountain or near the top of mountain you ride out as long as you can.

Lastly, after next season the only Spurs under contract will be Tim and Tony. I'm sure Manu will be re-signed! But..the Spurs can rebuild for the future and still be compe ive!! Spurs have shown great financial discipline (something disliked by a lot of Spurs fans! But it is a business and they tend to forget that).

[Allanon]

Allanon,

Hi MarHill!

How can you write it will be difficult for the Spurs to win a championship...when they were in WCF last year?

I would give more credence to your arguement....if the Spurs were a 7 or 8 seed last year or didn't make the playoffs.

But they have averaged at least 55 wins since 2003 and made it to at least the second round of the playoffs since that time. Oh by the way...three championships in that period.

But you want to the Spurs to trade one or two or all of the real big three...that's absurd!! Sorry!!

Nah, not all 3 of the Big3, just 1 of them in return for 2-3 great young prospects (Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Roy, etc)

It's the supporting cast that is the problem, not the Big 3. Namely Bowen and Finley. That's why I've written off the team as currently composed.

Add in Kurt Thomas too. Those guys were dependable for your Spurs last year, this year, they look like they should have retired.

• I watched the Mavs game and Jason Terry repeatedly took Bowen off the dribble...something that wouldn't have occurred before.
• Kurt Thomas got killed by Amare Stoudamire in the Suns game, another thing that didn't happen before.
• Finley is shooting a career low from 2point (33%) and 3 point (33%) and Free Throws (60%). It's early but he just doesn't "look" good out there on the court.

If the Spurs were really declining as far as wins and not making the playoffs or a border playoff team...then I could see moving a big piece.

It's early so I could be very wrong. But I just don't feel the Spurs playing out there, it looks like the old Phoenix Suns (3-4 guys scoring and nobody playing defense)

But...you don't trade a sure fire hall-of-famer who is still playing well and the cornerstone for your franchise for someone who has potential. Sorry!!

By the way, one of the biggest mistakes that the Chicago Bulls made in the late 90's was breaking up that team to early. Even Jerry Krause....realizes that!!

So while you are at the top of mountain or near the top of mountain you ride out as long as you can.

I think the riding started a season ago. Spurs let it ride in 2008, in my opinion, and almost made it. If it weren't for the rapid decline of Bowen, Finley and KT, I'd roll the dice one more time too.

Lastly, after next season the only Spurs under contract will be Tim and Tony. I'm sure Manu will be re-signed! But..the Spurs can rebuild for the future and still be compe ive!! Spurs have shown great financial discipline (something disliked by a lot of Spurs fans! But it is a business and they tend to forget that).

I didn't know that about the contracts. Spurs have always been very fiscally responsible, almost to a fault.

[MarHill]

Hi MarHill!



Nah, not all 3 of the Big3, just 1 of them in return for 2-3 great young prospects (Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Roy, etc)

It's the supporting cast that is the problem, not the Big 3. Namely Bowen and Finley. That's why I've written off the team as currently composed.

Add in Kurt Thomas too. Those guys were dependable for your Spurs last year, this year, they look like they should have retired.

• I watched the Mavs game and Jason Terry repeatedly took Bowen off the dribble...something that wouldn't have occurred before.
• Kurt Thomas got killed by Amare Stoudamire in the Suns game, another thing that didn't happen before.
• Finley is shooting a career low from 2point (33%) and 3 point (33%) and Free Throws (60%). It's early but he just doesn't "look" good out there on the court.

It's early so I could be very wrong. But I just don't feel the Spurs playing out there, it looks like the old Phoenix Suns (3-4 guys scoring and nobody playing defense)



I think the riding started a season ago. Spurs let it ride in 2008, in my opinion, and almost made it. If it weren't for the rapid decline of Bowen, Finley and KT, I'd roll the dice one more time too.



I didn't know that about the contracts. Spurs have always been very fiscally responsible, almost to a fault.

Allanon,


It is only 4 games and the Spurs has always been a work in progress!!

I need more evidence before I see a true decline....when the past evidence has not shown that.

Lastly, Roger Mason has given (so far) them a legit fourth scorer and we are missing one of the real big 3. Hill and Farmer have shown some ability. Remember the criticism last year (and still this year) is the Spurs are too old. Well...they have some youth and athleticism on the ballclub!

Please wait until at least late Jan or Early Feb before you can judge the Spurs. Not 4 games into a new season and when they are missing one of their key guys.

[BacktoBasics]

Martell getting the extension should actually make it easier to trade him for equal or better talent.

[Allanon]

Allanon,


It is only 4 games and the Spurs has always a work in progress!!

I need more evidence before I see a true decline....when the past evidence has not shown that.

Lastly, Roger Mason has given (so far) a legit fourth scorer and we are missing one of the real big 3. Hill and Farmer have shown some ability. Remember the criticism last year (and still this year) is the Spurs are too old. Well...they have some youth and athleticism on the ballclub!

Please wait until at least late Jan or Early Feb before you can judge the Spurs. Not 4 games into a new season and when they are missing one of their key guys.

Agreed. Let's wait and see. And please don't take as my trying to insult your Spurs. I'm just trying to give an honest "4 game" evaluation

[MarHill]

Agreed. Let's wait and see. And please don't take as my trying to insult your Spurs. I'm just trying to give an honest "4 game" evaluation

No problem, Allanon!

I do get worked up about this team...like any true fan. However, I know people outside of the Spurs Nation (and some spoiled ones inside the Spurs Nation) are ready to discard this team because they are tired of seeing them. Our society is always ready to get rid of the old for something new..even though the old is working quite well.

Well, I'm not ready to discard them!! Especially on how successful they have been and still have some gas left in the tank.

[sexinthatsx]

It's funny and crazy.

BUT, it would help both teams. Spurs need talented youth desperately. Blazers need veterans desperately.

That's why I made this thread:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108818
after parker's 55 point night, it's the perfect time to grab us some youngns to help us out.

Also, here's the update on the sergio rodriguez news:
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindbla...oing_nowh.html

[mystargtr34]

He's the closest thing to Duncan in the NBA, is what I mean.

They have similar games and styles. Aldridge has a ton of skill, I think he's going to be the best PF in the NBA in a couple of years.

Duncan and Aldridge similar??? One is a back to the basket guy who likes to take it to the rim and protects the rim.

The other guy is a 7 footer who floats around at 12-18 feet shooting jump shots with the occasional soft hook shot thrown in jumping away from contact.

The only similarity is their height, Pau Gasol is a better comparison for Aldridge.

And Al Jefferson for Duncan.

And no, the Spurs wouldnt trade Duncan regardless. You dont trade franchise players who win and get you rings - you ship the ones that do jack in terms of winning and take up salary and become a burden like Allen Iverson and T-Mac

[mystargtr34]

Hi MarHill!



Nah, not all 3 of the Big3, just 1 of them in return for 2-3 great young prospects (Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Roy, etc)

It's the supporting cast that is the problem, not the Big 3. Namely Bowen and Finley. That's why I've written off the team as currently composed.

Add in Kurt Thomas too. Those guys were dependable for your Spurs last year, this year, they look like they should have retired.

• I watched the Mavs game and Jason Terry repeatedly took Bowen off the dribble...something that wouldn't have occurred before.
• Kurt Thomas got killed by Amare Stoudamire in the Suns game, another thing that didn't happen before.
• Finley is shooting a career low from 2point (33%) and 3 point (33%) and Free Throws (60%). It's early but he just doesn't "look" good out there on the court.

It's early so I could be very wrong. But I just don't feel the Spurs playing out there, it looks like the old Phoenix Suns (3-4 guys scoring and nobody playing defense)



I think the riding started a season ago. Spurs let it ride in 2008, in my opinion, and almost made it. If it weren't for the rapid decline of Bowen, Finley and KT, I'd roll the dice one more time too.



I didn't know that about the contracts. Spurs have always been very fiscally responsible, almost to a fault.

Kurt Thomas cant, never could and never would be able to gaurd Amare Stoudemire.

Shorter quicker guys like Wade and even Terry have been known to give problems to Bowen before. Not saying Terry would have gone off for 30 on Bowen a couple years back, but the more worrying signs are him not being able to slow down Roy and Mike Miller.

[Allanon]

Duncan and Aldridge similar??? One is a back to the basket guy who likes to take it to the rim and protects the rim.

The other guy is a 7 footer who floats around at 12-18 feet shooting jump shots with the occasional soft hook shot thrown in jumping away from contact.

The only similarity is their height, Pau Gasol is a better comparison for Aldridge.

Al Jefferson doesn't have Duncan's shooting range or mobility so he can't play the high post like Duncan, Pau, Aldridge. Duncan, Pau and Aldridge can all shoot well almost to the 3 point range.

I think Pau, Aldridge and Duncan all have similar games, just varying degrees of aggressiveness. Duncan is aggressive, Pau and Aldridge aren't. Pau I think it's in his nature but Aldridge I think cuz he's young and still learning.

If you look at their talents and skillsets, all 3 are mobile big men who can play in the low post, high post or spot up for J's at the top of the key.

Pau doesn't have as much talent as Aldridge.

Aldridge doesn't have as much talent as Duncan.

And Al Jefferson for Duncan.

Al Jefferson's more of a bruiser type player whereas Duncan's more finesse and only BAD when he wants to be.

And no, the Spurs wouldnt trade Duncan regardless. You dont trade franchise players who win and get you rings - you ship the ones that do jack in terms of winning and take up salary and become a burden like Allen Iverson and T-Mac

Like I said, it's a long shot and of course, nobody wants to trade Mr. Spur himself. But it might be better for the Spurs long-term success. With a huge inflow of young talent, the Spurs would be contenders for the next 10 years (Manu/Rudy, Tony, Roy, Aldridge)...you won't get all 3 guys but mix and match whichever and maybe a 3rd player like Outlaw or Batum.